Discharge - Hear Nothing See Nothing Say Nothing
I think Discharge and Black Flag were the answer to each other. Discharge was just this raw energy and power. It was more than anything we'd ever heard when me and my brother were first listening to Hear Nothing.... The only way we could compare it to was like an airplane landing. It was as loud and as powerful as anything we'd ever heard. It made Motörhead sound weak.

There's no mercy. It's one track after the other. You listen to that record and it's almost exhausting. I think the American thing was more of an overdrive attitude, in Europe it was this monster, so it's cool because it also represents the way people were. Different cultures and different backgrounds representing their own energy. 
 Of course, both bands were political, but in a different way. Crass, Discharge, all those English bands they had a message, even though most people had to read the lyrics to find it. We couldn't understand what they were singing, and again that influenced us in Sepultura to start writing lyrics that were not just some crazy thing against the church, because that was, again, coming from a small town, which has a lot of religious power, our way to rebel. It was us against the church but later, well there's a lot more than the church to blame, and those bands helped us pave a way for that. Especially Discharge and then of course later on Napalm Death.

It's funny 'cause now I look at what people are saying about us, and they're quoting our lyrics because it's making so much sense with the new president, except now it's even worse. We have to fight again, against what's going on at home. I mean, for me, as something we've been fighting for so many years against, it's almost like a bad dream. Brexit? Okay, that's bad. Trump? Okay. And then Bolsonaro? Oh shit, they're all here. With this kind of thing happening, I think more than ever we need to see who's who. Before it was a bit of a comfort zone, now it's like you've got to show where you are at, show your colours.

I said something against Trump and then I saw a few hateful messages. Wow, there's some people here that didn't realise what we are about? To this day? We need to keep showing our colours. Did they did not look at our lyrics? You're not buying our records anymore? Perfect! I want to make sure that people at my show are safe. My oldest kid is transitioning so I want to make sure that he's safe at my show. I want to make sure that hateful people know that they're not welcome here. The whole Anti-Nazi mixtape I just made is a way of taking every chance that I have to say 'it's here again, pay attention'. As a musician, it's a strong message but I think it's it's an important message. It's about showing which side you're on, so that's why Discharge are part of my list, because they were always upfront.