Pink Floyd - Ummagumma

That's very meaningful to me. The live part, particularly, because of the ever-ascending song structures. Things just keep building and building, to the heart of the sun, really. It's psychedelic rock at its best. They were always looking for transcendence, and this was them at their height. I like that era better, in some ways, than the one with Syd Barrett. I lost interest in Pink Floyd pretty much after Meddle. I had the good fortune to be a runaway kid in Europe and I went to this rock festival in Belgium and saw them playing then.  And it was transcendent. It's stuck with me throughout the years, and it's another piece of music I hold up as a litmus test. It's an experience, something really profound. Pink Floyd was the best psychedelic rock band ever.

I've heard Pink Floyd described as "bleak psychedelia", and that's something that comes to mind with Swans, particularly The Seer...

Well, at times, we have the same dynamics. I don't want to be pretentious, but we're going for an epiphany. The electric guitars and sounds are amplified to something extreme and played repetitiously and just slowly grow. I liken it to stacking up strings in a symphony. Electric guitars have the possibility for total self-immolation and simultaneous actualisation.