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Rock Of Ages: Mick Jagger At 70 & The Rise Of Pop's Elders
David Stubbs , July 26th, 2013 07:01

Fucking Mick Jagger, says David Stubbs, he'll never stop... why should he? But he could choose some better birthday party guests...

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Most of my predictions as a music journalist have come to grief in the near three decades I've been practising the art but one at least, which I first made 25 years ago, has successfully come to pass – that rock groups would still be touring in their 70s. Others demurred at this – we're talking about a time when a 45-year-old John Peel was considered unfeasibly senior still to be hauling his old bones to Fall gigs, like some old tennis pro ill-advisedly hitting the tournament circuit for yet another hurrah. This was a time when rock & roll still just about considered itself youth culture and the first crease had yet to be ironed into its jeans. In the 80s, the mid-20s was considered some significant cut-off point. When Q magazine was launched, it was aimed at what it considered an audaciously senior, Jeremy Clarkson-style demographic – the over-25s. Still earlier, it was still worse. In 1964, Melody Maker ran a concerned editorial about the ageing Beatles drummer entitled “Ringo – Too Old To Rock At 24?”

Throughout most of its live fast, die young history, much of which coincided with the Cold War, rock music never really troubled to contemplate its future seniority, assuming it would never happen. This week, however, as he was always going to, Mick Jagger has celebrated his 70th birthday. And this year, as they were always going to be, The Rolling Stones were on the road, their Glastonbury date hailed as a “triumph” in all quarters.

Much as it's probably 30 years since Pete Townshend first had to field some wry jibe about his “hope I die before I get old” lyric, so The Rolling Stones have been enduring “Strolling Bones”-type quips about their supposed agedness for decades. The Daily Mail printed some typically waspish close-ups of Jagger's droopy neck flesh and close-ups of Keith Richards, who admittedly does like look his own, latex Spitting Image puppet these days, but then that alone shows how he has defied and outlived parody. However, the Mail showed themselves to be as out of touch as an embarrassing Dad in their old fashioned barbs about the group's age, an issue which the more hip mainstream has long since got over.

That the Rolling Stones were always going to keep working was evident from the world of jazz and the precedent its most senior members set as that genre reached old age. Duke Ellington recorded into his early 70s (check 1971's The Afro-Eurasian Eclipse) and made his last live appearance just before his death in 1974. Sonny Rollins, the “saxophone colossus” is still honking strong aged 82. Or, there's this guy, about Jagger's age when he staggered onstage to put in this palsied performance.

There are countless examples from the avant-garde world that old age doesn't dim the creative powers and reduce them to a twilight of tea and biscuits, Max Bygraves and the 'Semprini Serenade'. Musique concrète composers like Luc Ferrari, Henri Pousseur and of course Karlheinz Stockhausen were still operating on the ultra-radical fringes of music before they died of eventual, natural causes early in the 21st century. The same can be said of Derek Bailey, vigorous and active and expanding the guitar lexicon way beyond the confines of rock until his death, aged 75.

Quite simply, music isn't sport. You can perform to the physical level required well into your senior years. Your faculties, health permitting, are quite capable of seeing you through the flails and thrashes and moves like Jagger. This is an extremely gratifying spectacle because, of course, the rock audience itself is growing older year by year, and is most pleased to see that while death will claim us all, old age (as lived out by previous generations sometimes from about their mid-30s onwards if old photos are anything to go by) need not. And so it will go on. I predict rock groups touring and working into their 80s, maybe 90s, with the 70+ brigade, currently a relatively select group, a commonplace band filled out by the likes of Prince, Elvis Costello, Dexys. No one stops. Why would they? Why should they?

As rock & roll grows older, then, and its audience with it, there is a generation of superstars who no longer have to experience the sort of jeering they once had to undergo, derided as senile, past it and out of touch when still in their mid-30s. “The Stones should split. They're no longer valid,” said Tom Robinson - in 1978. Paul McCartney spent most of the 70s and 80s being teased mercifully for his often infantile, saccharine and abysmally banal output, so much so as to goad him into a furious rant about being “rapped on the knuckles like a schoolkid” every time he released an album. David Bowie's efforts to maintain his grip on the zeitgeist in the 80s with Tin Machine earned him similar derision. That decade was also a tough one for Bob Dylan, whose successive religious conversions in the early 80s, followed by his stint with The Traveling Wilburys suddenly saw him cut a rather doddery figure.

Only in middle age did they have to endure these trials, the accusations of old age. In their actual old age, it's a different story. Today, McCartney is enjoying a renewed spate of hip attention, a revival that was set in train slowly but surely with his collaborations with Elvis Costello in the late 80s. He was recently doing the YouTube rounds, performing 'Helter Skelter' with ex-Nirvana members, as well as being feted to the point of genuflection on the US Stephen Colbert show. Meanwhile, no major event can be allowed to pass without his being asked to top the bill with a rousing, infinite version of 'Hey Jude'. You sense that McCartney, beneath his faux-affable exterior a proud and prickly alpha male sort, is loving and lording every moment of it. Gone are the days of mocking him because of 'The Frog Chorus'. Macca, The Stones, Springsteen, Dylan, are hailed by a once-sceptical critical consensus as living deities, national treasures. Others abide our question; thou, oh Rushmore-style Rock Gods, are free.

Is this a problem? Well, kind of. Except that it's not about age, exactly, or some, simplistic “the old should retire with dignity and give way to the young” thing. That's not really the issue. It's not so much that the old guard of artists have necessarily redeemed themselves, or rediscovered their old powers, it's that the critical mood has changed. The iconoclastic scepticism of the punk generation gave way, in the conservative, nostalgic, Oasis-dominated 1990s to a reverence for wealth, prestige, superstardom, a longing for the old days of mega-mania, rather than interesting, diverse, locally sourced clusters of new music. This has gradually intensified, as a sense grows that the mainstream rock narrative has run its course, the smoke is clearing, and we can look back at the legends of yore with renewed biographical clarity, their often trite sayings and doings regarded with utter fascination, their present day activities reviewed with slavering, uncritical awe.

Let's take The Stones. I don't doubt for a moment that, being the Stones and having the Stones in their bones, they put on as good a performance at Glastonbury as everyone said. That Michael Eavis should describe it as the “high point” of Glastonbury's 43 year history, during some of which time it had genuine, countercultural pretensions, seems a bit sad. So carried away is everyone by the “triumph” that there is an apparent willingness not just to waive but to wallow in The Stones' current aristocratic shenanigans. We are invited to goggle, rather than gob as we read that “Sir” Mick Jagger and co followed up their set of existentially ravenous, combative rock classics by booking out ten rooms at Babington House country club and invited a string of A-listers to join them, ferrying guests from the back stage area by helicopter, including Coldplay's Chris Martin, supermodel Kate Moss and her husband Jamie Hince, designer Stella McCartney and Jarvis Cocker, models Alexa Chung and Jodie Kidd also joined the band’s families backstage. Or that Prince Harry was present backstage at Glastonbury. Hello! Ok!

The obvious dissonances at work here were evident, too, in another “triumphant” gig from one of rock's great elders – Bruce Springsteen. I saw him at Stratford recently play in mostly daylight, as in an apparently crucial feat of quantity and stamina, he insists on playing for three hours and had to start early in the Summer evening. His devotees loved it but I was left cold by the collective pretence, of both Springsteen and his fans, that this anonymous, makeshift venue on the dusty periphery of the Olympic site was actually an intimate back bar in New Jersey. The fact that his stage presence was framed by the conspicuous, ubiquitous corporate hoardings of Hard Rock and Vodaphone only made it worse. Sure, if ultra-predictable chord changes are your thing, then the music was fine, but was I the only person, either onstage or lapping it up, remotely bothered by any of this?

Of course, whenever one of rock's elderly eminences deigns to tour, such cavilling is swept aside in the rush to Ticketmaster. This is bolstered, or perhaps acquiesced to, by a music press which is, if anything, more inclined to put The Beatles/ Stones/ Dylan on the cover than it was in the heydays of those artists. Any excuse will do. And so, a disproportionate sense of their importance has developed, thanks to the increased conservatism of industry, music press and audiences alike in the 21st century. The Beatles and The Stones were great – but not so great as to deserve taking up such a vast and grotesquely uneven amount of media attention, at the expense of a vast range of other artists, past and present. They're probably more important than Big Star and Pere Ubu, but not the thousands of times more important that their sales and media column inches would suggest. Plus, a rock life spent ignoring Big Star and Pere Ubu and listening to The Beatles and the Stones loads of times over and over is a blinkered and diminished one.

David Bowie's return to the fray represents a notable and graceful exception. That his new single earlier this year fell to Earth out of nowhere, free of the usual build-up or calculated industry leaking, was a dizzying feat of discretion and also lent lustre to the sense that he was genuinely a rock & roll creature from above and beyond. Its subject matter demonstrated a wisdom and a consciousness about himself and his relationship with, and distance from, his own legacy which seems beyond the ken of the veteran superstar set, who often given the impression of rocking on oblivious. Conversely, he didn't attempt to “do dubstep”, or anything so daft, realising he is past all that, and that his enduring strength is as a classical songwriter. So far, all rumours of a tour have been flatly denied and, although a Bowie show could be quite a thing, I find myself hoping he stays true to his word, remains aloof from the nostalgia cavalcade.

And so, happy birthday, Mick Jagger. You truly deserve your slice of cake. You are, after all, Fucking Mick Jagger. Never mind “Sir” Mick Jagger; you should replace the “Sir” with “Fucking” and insist, at all times on that far more appropriate mode of address. You should have a party. Only, don't invite the Kate Mosses, Chris Martins and the rest of the showbiz kids – you know they don't give a fuck about anybody else. Invite your own contemporaries, who deserve their slice of cake also. Invite Leonard Cohen. Invite Alan Vega, who just turned 75 but whose group Suicide have never enjoyed the good commercial fortune their innovations deserved. Invite Hans-Joachim Roedelius, whose birth in October 1934 is the very first event on the krautrock timeline, whose work with Kluster and later Cluster is foundational in the histories of noise and ambient respectively, and who is still cutting it, as shown in his very latest release Tiden. Invite Irmin Schmidt and Jaki Liebezeit, surviving founder members of Can, whose continued inventions (on the Cyclopean EP for example) are a discreet counterpoint to Kraftwerk's more widely feted Touring Synthpop Museum. Invite Joni Mitchell, who might have a thing or two to say about why women aren't necessarily granted the same indulgence to carry on being rock stars into their senior years as their male counterparts. Happy birthday and rock on – we know you will.

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Emanuele
Jul 26, 2013 12:01pm

The problem is not the age; problem is if you have still something to say or not. Big majority of rock bands are left with nothing to say after a 5-10 year span during which they come out with 3-4 meaningful albums. What's the last time the Stones came out with something that matters? That's the problem, i couldnt care less if the performer's got wrinkles. I've seen Swans live in Primavera this summer and never I did care about Michael Gira age.

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Post-Punk Monk
Jul 26, 2013 12:13pm

Thanks you so much for this exceptionally well considered piece of writing. It hit upon many issues that needed airing. Though on the Bowie thread, I was ultimately disappointed that he chose to artistically reactivate, though the manner in which he has is, as you correctly note, unimpeachably admirable and honorable. Personally, I felt the last song on his last album was a brilliant note to end a career on. Oh well.

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Jul 26, 2013 12:41pm

Nice work, David, but remember, ersatz 'underground' nostalgia is just as noxious, just as toxic...

How else to explain the fucking Pixies, or even at ATP, yet another awful Slint reunion? As if the previous ones with no new material, no passion except cashing the check, hadn't embarrassed many of their previously ardent fans? The Slint record was OK if you heard it 1991 but if you actually listened to any King Crimson records in the interim, it's hard to give any more shit than the musicians themselves obviously do, which is VERY little.

Oh how about the insipid Neutral Milk Hotel nostalgia singalong?

Help, I'm not a rock, I'm nostalgic about nostalgia!!

Please let it STOP soon.

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Cao Xuqien
Jul 26, 2013 12:46pm

Emanule nails it: you either have something to say as a performer/composer of you do not. I well fucking blame the "Classic Album" trend for one... As if rock composition wasn't usually banal and repetitive enough, then they started to take away the ONE element of surprise, the dynamic between band, venue, audience, repertoire... Fuck 'em all, the nostalgic sods in the audience, the 'well-meaning' promoters, the bands with neither dignity nor gumption included. At least we still have THE FALL, and opera (a well-done Mozart opera is STILL more creative than anything retro "rock" can offer because vastly more room for creative choice, both scale and depth.)

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Deeps
Jul 26, 2013 1:25pm

Mr Stubbs,
If you really think music journalism is an art form, you are wallowing around presenting a sub standard Rolf Harris painting, whilst whistling a Take That song and banging on a saucepan lid.
What is the point you are struggling so hard to make? You don't like Springsteen live but are enjoying Bowies frankly toe curling return because he had a better PR plan? You think Jagger could of invited some hipper folk to his party? Really? You have added nothing at all to an already well covered subject that was revisited and made far more positive and interesting by Hadley Freeman's very recent Guardian piece,
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/02/glastonbury-casual-ageism-rolling-stones
come up with something new to write about, after all what you do is an art form right?

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Andy
Jul 26, 2013 2:22pm

Thankfully, there are bands like Ride,Slowdive,Cocteau Twins, Mansun etc. that will never ever reform.

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Bartoli
Jul 26, 2013 2:59pm

In reply to Deeps:

Calm your boots horse

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Jul 26, 2013 4:11pm

In reply to Deeps:

I don't know if he considers what he does to be an art form but I suspect he knows that "could of" is not actually English.

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Nick
Jul 26, 2013 4:44pm

Somehow, I don't see the immortal H.J. Roedelius showing up to a Mick Jagger party :)

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dot cotton
Jul 26, 2013 6:02pm

Good article. Our old rockers are like the old Hollywood stars, they embody a certain glamour, so leave them alone! You will be sorry when they're gone! I just wish more of them would address the issue of getting older in their work. Bowie indirectly deals with ageing (and death) on his new, and brilliant, album and in the videos, especially in 'The Stars'. Mind you, he was singing about getting older back in the 70s on songs like 'Time'! Someone should tell 'Sir' Mick to stop trying so hard with his workouts and his 26 inch waist etc and just relax a bit and write a song about being an older person! Stubbs is right about the hypocrisy over older female artists and I wish our older artists in general didn't feel the need to trot off to Buckingham Palace to collect a gong when it's offered to them! I think Bowie is the only prominent older rock deity who has turned down a gong! Mick Jagger, McCartney, Elton John, Rod Stewart, Robert Plant, Bryan Ferry, Kate Bush etc etc have all collected their Knighthoods and CBE's. Fucking Mick Jagger sounds just fine!

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joe cocker
Jul 27, 2013 7:44am

yeah yeah yeah .mick jagger and the stones havent released a good song since 1983 but theres always some toady like you to wank on

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Deeps
Jul 27, 2013 10:01am

In reply to :

oh gosh no, a stranger on the internet has corrected my poor english, what to do?

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William
Jul 27, 2013 11:24am

I seem to remember a gibe from Steven Wells about David Stubbs being too old for music journalism. It appeared in the old NME letters pages, "Ah there sits Stubbs in the snug with his half of mild. He shakes his head, 'Never mix the grape and the grain.'"

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Bernie Fassone
Jul 27, 2013 11:30am

A brilliantly written article & so spot on . So good to also mention the likes of Alan Vega & women like the great Joni Mitchel.
Keep writing
B

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Jul 27, 2013 12:18pm

shame you don't like the guests mick invited to your party.

oh, and the beatles and stones are thousands of times more important than big star and pere ubu, though you're correct in saying that ignoring more obscure music is foolish.

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Suicide Man
Jul 28, 2013 7:30pm

In 2013, Suicide's first albums are more important and influential than anything from the Stones.

That said, it's right on for any musician of whatever level of success to keep playing until the final curtain. Why stop? Never stop.

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Ben Skinor
Oct 4, 2013 2:44pm

Nice article but could have been appropriate to mention the host of blues guys who work(ed) day in day out right up to their deaths.

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