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Happy Songs? Stuart Braithwaite Of Mogwai's Favourite Albums
Luke Turner , August 28th, 2012 04:28

Mogwai's Stuart Braithwaite takes us through his favourite albums, and explains why it's Margaret Thatcher's fault that everyone in Scotland is a goth and how John Peel funded the Scottish music scene

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David Bowie - Low
It was between The Idiot and Fun House, but it's almost like The Idiot and Low are part of the same package or something. Low is an incredibly ambitious and strange and enjoyable album. My parents weren't into pop music, but one of my very first memories is being at a child's party and hearing 'Starman'. So Bowie is one of the people who made me consider that I liked music. It was a really important, formative thing. Low is probably just from becoming a fan, getting all the records and deciding that that was my favourite one. It's not often you hear a record and can't actually approximate the thought processes that went into making the song. Maybe that comes from imagination run wild through drugs psychosis, or maybe them just sat around having a laugh going 'you know what would be mental? Let's have a ten-minute song where I start chanting in the middle of it'.


sammy
Aug 28, 2012 9:19am

what's an "aesop rocky?"

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Dan B
Aug 28, 2012 9:35am

Nice little list. Particularly pleased for Belong, who have toiled for a while in relative obscurity, unfairly. They once supported Ariel Pink on a UK tour and absolutely blasted him off the stage.

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Nick
Aug 28, 2012 9:42am

Predictably enough for someone who has been the driving force in one of the UK's best bands of the last 20 years, Stuart Braithwaite has excellent taste in music. Excited to check out the God Machine and Belong, never heard of either.

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Ron Pile
Aug 28, 2012 9:52am

"My sister the painting goth" could be a Mogwai song.

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Adam
Aug 28, 2012 9:58am

The God Machine album is fantastic. A real favourite. Can't believe it's never been re-released as it's stupidly expensive on e-bay. The follow up is stunning too.

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Austy
Aug 28, 2012 10:12am

Hmmm such a sausage party here... Stewy doesn't seem to like girls very
Much.. Seems a shame since I can think of five Scottish lasses off the top of my head that HAVE SHOWN MOGWAI UP AS PRECIOUS LITTLE POSEURS... Get a grip chief, mogwai is boring boring boring

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februarymakeup
Aug 28, 2012 10:17am

In reply to sammy:

I bet he said "A$AP Rocky" and Mr. Turner confused him with Aesop Rock when he transliterated.

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Noel
Aug 28, 2012 10:41am

Great picks. I'm guessing Stuart said 'Washer' though when he was discussing 'Spiderland'. The 'Gwai will rule for all times...

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Aug 28, 2012 10:44am

Does Stuart mean Aesop Rock, a large, wordy, disquieting independent white rapper/producer, or A$AP Rocky (aka A$$WIPE Rocky), a diminutive, largely inane product of Sony music?

Danny Brown is a known Aesop Rock fan so I suspect (hope) the former.

Also, though I was a Slint fan in 1991, I have to say "Spiderland" sounds pretty banal in 2001... I tried turning friends on to it that summer and they in turn played me the King Crimson records those guitar parts come from.

Also, Slint member David Pajo made one of the worst ever fake "Americana"/ersatz Will Oldham albums in the history of the omniverse, making to double difficult to listen back fondly,

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dylsmack
Aug 28, 2012 11:05am

In reply to Austy:

yeah, i'm gonna have to disagree with your seemingly all knowing statement of mogwai.

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Mark davitt
Aug 28, 2012 11:35am

I still blast The God Machine's two albums out of my taxi as I pick up steaming mongs in thongs at the weekend in Glasgow. At one Mogwai gig I was walking up the stairs into the main hall of the barras when I knew I had heard the guy who was supporting them before. There he was telling the crowd they could have a bleather after he'd fininshed. I stood there in a trance and listened to Robin Proper-Sheppard doing songs from the Sophia album de nachten. I immediately ran downstairs and got a copy. Find it hard to listen to now cause it makes me greet like a bitch as my gran moved on to the next level around that time, but became a massive Sophia fan. Anyway, cheers for all the Mogwai albums. They continually give unconditionally.

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Aug 28, 2012 11:58am

In reply to Dan B:

Aw man you're in for a treat.

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Aug 28, 2012 2:49pm

In reply to dylsmack:

Do you think I give a shit? I actually get laid... Notice any girls commenting here? AT ALL? There's a reason for that..

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Apop
Aug 28, 2012 4:10pm

Austy, did Mr. Braithwaite run over your dog or just refuse your advances at some point? My guess is the latter.

This site is chock full of folks who really like music (both those who submit to the site and those who peruse it). Who are these 5 lasses? It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I'd be interested to know 'cos I think Mogwai's quite good, so they must be that much better. Please do share. I like to discover new music.

And by the way, no one who, as you say, "actually gets laid" can't be as angry as you are. It's physically impossible. Most wars could be averted if the old men banging the drums would just get laid.

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Aug 28, 2012 5:38pm

In reply to Apop:

I guess MOGWAI fans are so devoid of emotion that they can't tell the difference between anger and stone cold fact.. MOGWAI (iPhone keeps capitalizing it) are just boring.. I'm not passionate about their music in any way for (definitely not for) or against, they are sonic irrelevance to me.. The post rock equivalent of johns tesh or Denver.. Here's where my ire sets in.. Who is a goth that doesn't like a single band led by a woman? Siouxsie or Lisa or ms Fraser (hey! There's a Scottish lass that makes MOGWAI look kinda lame) not worthy of their time? Please... Fields of neliphium? Can I take a snooze? He realizes you don't get more goth than a working girl huh? I would have at least put cosey fanni tuttis time to tell in there, or selflessness of I felt particularly cheeky.. Now on to the oh so controversial choice of slints spiderland. Look I'm from Louisville and I'm tired of that boring album at this point.. Sure I liked it for a while then I heard big black . Big black may be many things but not boring.. So anyway everyone knows that MOGWAI are basically a slint tribute band (not necessarily what I'm looking for but whatever, let the baby have its bottle) and because Stewy the rat knew exactly what thought would occur the second in the mind of the reader when spiderland pops up, he proceeds to throw pj Harvey and rid of me under the bus... Play rid of me then play atomizer then play spiderland and you tell me which to sound more alike.. Stewy is a boring flake who might one day be as musically relevent as one of pj Harvey's guitar picks and he knows it in his slimy heart..MOGWAI is pure shit and he will go to hell for hating girls as much as he does.. Oh by the way even if pj ripped off slint, rid of me is a million times better than spiderland and nothing MOGWAI has done transcends the slint they keep ripping off ad nauseum.. As far as Scottish lasses that are better than MOGWAI start at kt end at Annie Lennox and everyone in between you misogynist swine

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Barry Palmer
Aug 28, 2012 6:00pm

In reply to Austy:

I agree. Mogwai have always been an astonishingly conservative, innovation-free band.

When did they last release a semi-decent LP - 10 years ago?

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Apop
Aug 28, 2012 6:13pm

Hmmmm, not sure how you come to the conclusion that I'm some sort of misogynist, but I'll let that one go.

I'm having a hard time understanding you Ms. Austy, you're a bit of a head scratcher. You state of Mogwai "they are sonic irrelevance to me" and yet you seem somehow surprised that his choice of 13 favorite records don't meet with your approval.

The Fray are musically irrelevant to me (no offense to Fray fans tho I doubt we'll find many here) so I certainly wouldn't spend any time reading about any of their favorite albums. And I certainly wouldn't be up in arms if Limp Biskit were listed instead of PiL.

He did call himself a Scottish goth, so I'll give ya that, that might have caught your eye.

Anywhoo, can't argue with your list of ladies, was hoping it was someone i hadn't heard of before tho.

Cheers.

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Aug 28, 2012 6:38pm

In reply to Apop:

The same way you came to the conclusion that I don't get laid or came on to Stewy the rat...

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G
Aug 28, 2012 6:41pm

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Oh good lord. Can we talk about the music or the albums mentioned or anything other than who get's laid and who likes girls? I mean, jesus, if I wanted that I'd go to NME.COM...

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Aug 28, 2012 6:42pm

In reply to Apop:

Oh and if you want me to add some pleasure to your life forget the girls with guitars, forget the MOGWAI and just unzip and slip it in my mouth... Best four minutes in your sad tarty life apop.. I'm not in Scotland so I doubt I cant give you up to the second new girls of the underground but find a busker in edinburgh packing up from the festival and I guarantee she's better than stupid boring minimal thought MOGWAI for Christ sake

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Augustine the great
Aug 28, 2012 6:45pm

In reply to G:

Shut your dirty mouth... Stewy is the one with gender issues not me.. Aversion to the feminine led to the crusades the holocaust and nickelback so obviously attention must be paid

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Aug 28, 2012 6:50pm

Ps anyone notice that Stewy looks like the last guy kicked out of the temple of psychick youth for corrupting the sigils? Stupid gash

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Apop
Aug 28, 2012 6:51pm

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You make me laugh, Austy, I like a good insult. Don't live in Scotland either...don't even own a Mogwai record tho i've heard enough from friends' collections to dig into this fellow's selections. Forgot about God Machine - a good reminder from Mr. Braithwaite.

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Manymoons
Aug 28, 2012 6:57pm

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I'm a girl and i'm here.

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mr agreeable
Aug 28, 2012 7:22pm

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Mogwai have always bored the tits off me too.droning pretentious sludge.theyre like a jam band..but instead of the grateful dead ..its like theyve heard sonic youth and joy division but somehow make it suck

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Aug 28, 2012 10:39pm

In reply to Manymoons:

Watch out honey, you'll excite these poon thirsty toothless blind sharks until they've gummed your extremities, realized youre way out of their league, then call you a whore for your trouble and convince themselves they're not misogynists because in the post post modern the old gender metrics are woefully inadequate.. anybody holding? I need a puff

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Aug 28, 2012 11:47pm

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KIng Crimson >>> Mogwai >>> Slint

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ChrisPN
Aug 29, 2012 2:50am

Nice list. Brings back a few memories, and there's a few things I disagree with him on. That's alright though - as a grown-up, I don't feel I have to scream my dumb opinions on a comments thread. :-)

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Music please
Aug 29, 2012 5:33am

Any chance of some comment moderation here?

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G
Aug 29, 2012 6:26am

There are some fairly unpleasent comments on this thread. Hardly encorages me to revisit the site..

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Stuart Braithwaite
Aug 29, 2012 7:50am

There seem to be some wild presumptions about me on here that I think should be corrected. Whilst I admit that this list is very male heavy it is not because I have any issues with woman or female musicians. If it had been another day it could well have included Siouxsie, MBV, Nina Simone, Patti Smith, Joanna Newsome, Rosetta Tharpe or any the legion of female musicians I admire.

Stuart B

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Giedion
Aug 29, 2012 9:09am

In reply to Stuart Braithwaite:

Don't worry Stuart, you don't have to explain yourself to anyone. There will always be misfits complaining about what you say or don't say. Although I may have different opinions of what should be up there on the list, everyone comes from different backgrounds and experiences which shape us indirectly or sometimes directly into who we are today. So yeah, let the misfits complain all they want.. cheers.

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Aug 29, 2012 11:19am

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Slint are absurdly hyped and that's coming from someone who rated the album back in 1991. They're reunion was trash, their subsequent careers musically bankrupt and the ignorant emo weeping about their "significance" (to people too young or lazy to have heard a cross-section of better guitar based prog-rock) strictly inane.

Mogwai are better than that though that album with Fridmann was trash.

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Nick
Aug 29, 2012 11:33am

In reply to Austy:

If I chose my 13 favourite albums, should I be careful to ensure equal gender, racial and national representation?

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Manymoons
Aug 29, 2012 2:36pm

In reply to :

I think i need one too. Cheers.

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Nick
Aug 29, 2012 6:06pm

In reply to :

Slint made one of the all time great records, and Dave Pajo was subsequently involved in some great music both with Tortoise and as Papa/Aerial M. The reunion shows were loved by everyone I know that saw them, and I thought they were great. Sorry it didn't do it for you, but you missed out.

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Austy
Aug 29, 2012 7:01pm

In reply to Nick:

No not what I'm saying and Stuart missed the point there too.. When you talk about being such a goth, goth this goth that I'm a goth he's a goth and not realize that goth was the one genre of underground music that celebrated and actually highlighted it's female innovators, then you look kind of dumb... Then to slag off pj Harvey as some sort of slint rip off was the icing on the cake of misogyny.. But more on this in a second

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Aug 29, 2012 7:04pm

In reply to Giedion:

Poor dear, do you not realize that rock and roll is a MISFIT art form? That punk rock was the signpost where misfits who had nothing else to believe in hung their sense of identity and rage? Do you want this to be pitchfork?

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Austin
Aug 29, 2012 7:26pm

In reply to Stuart Braithwaite:

And finally Stuart, first of all kudos for seeing that your list was actually controversial and coming forth to defend (or actually justify) it.. I'll hold back my poison tongue and just say that the lack of female performers on your list is actually only half of my argument. Because not only did you not include a single female on what became a celebration of all things goth and Scottish but you then took a cheap shot at pj harveys rid of me... We all know she wanted to sing for slint.. We all know she sought out Steve albini to record it because of his work on tweez.. However if you think rid of me sounds like slint, you're being disingenuous at best and mysogynist at worst... A better argument could be made that rid of me sounds like big blacks atomizer... It shares a power and rawness and profanity with big blacks work but to a completely different end.. Female but not feminine.. It's sheer genius.. And more importantly not very slint like at all.. Now it's not an uncommon thought to regard MOGWAI as a slint rip off band... And in my rage at your disrespect to ms Harvey I echoed this sentiment... Perhaps I'm being unfair.. MOGWAI is not a slint tribute band.. MOGWAI is a The For Carnation tribute band.. Can we sleep better now? Meanwhile if I had to list 13 rock albums of any type I'm pretty sure I could get a female in the mix, not to be politically correct, but just because girls rock maaaaaan... And I will regard those who won't or don't include a female in their list with a bit of suspicion... Lastly to all the gits complaining about my tone in these postings, I say piss off you sad wankers... I obviously know my music and if I try to pepper these postings with some sarcasm or biting wit I do so for your benefit dear readers... Otherwise this will just be another pitchfork where they let Ryan Dumbbell post any bollocks at all without accountability whatsoever.. And besides I saw the raking over the coals butch vig got for his underwhelming bakers dozen and no one said a thing about that... That is all

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Aug 30, 2012 12:04am

In reply to Austin:

WASHINGTON PHILLIPS + WU TANG alone are greater than all your pasty Scottish goth mewling combined... who gives a shit about PJ Harvey or how Stewart rates her? Read a Janice Galloway book instead and stop typing novels on The Quietus!!

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Aug 30, 2012 3:48am

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Wu tangs best days are 20 years ago.. Pj released let England shake in what 2010, 2011? Case closed.. Next time try posting before the ambien kicks in...

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Aug 30, 2012 7:52am

In reply to Austin:

Stuart's list only appears to be "controversial" to you.

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AustyIf
Aug 30, 2012 2:20pm

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That was sarcasm.. I know no one gives a sliver of feces about any of this... You must admit stuart did feel the need to "clarify" and that's gotta count for something...

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Christopher
Aug 30, 2012 9:22pm

In reply to Austin:

You have to be one of the most pretentious, dick-eyed slobs on the internet. Five bucks says you can't even play an instrument.

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uzine
Aug 31, 2012 8:27am

Bit hard to print if it's split in 14 ... print button please?

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uzine
Aug 31, 2012 8:30am

That's not the original sleeve of Tago Mago btw - see www or wikipedia or ... for that.

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Blasix
Aug 31, 2012 6:52pm

In reply to Adam:

Actually, both albums have been re-realease last summer...

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Sep 1, 2012 7:15pm

In reply to Christopher:

Oooooooo big burn, ice baby... Lol I am virtuoso at the skin flute.. amongst other things you sniveling tard... And yes I work with audio for fun and cash.. Would have gotten back to you earlier but I just stepped off the plane from cape cod

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Sep 3, 2012 11:30am

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.... Are you ok?

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Paul Burke
Sep 7, 2012 10:58am

Nice list Stuart, I thaught The Cure "FAITH" would of made it over "PORNOGRAPHY"? What about Mogwai's "COME ON DIE YOUNG"?

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eroc
Sep 11, 2012 12:05pm

In reply to Austy:

Let me guess.... you are girl with a short attention span?

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Sep 11, 2012 12:09pm

In reply to februarymakeup:

umm.... no Aesop Rock is an MC that is light years ahead of aesap rocky, who is a twit.

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eroc
Sep 11, 2012 12:15pm

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hahahaha..... your one-sidedness is really leaky. BAAAHHHHH HA HA HA!! thank you for that. It is people like you that make reading the comment section so entertaining. Now, go put on your L7 or Hole or No Doubt record and stare at your Lilith fest poster. :)

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eroc
Sep 11, 2012 12:21pm

In reply to Stuart Braithwaite:

Great list! The difficulty of shaving off so much to nail down only 13 would most certainly make me lose sleep. I like girls and music, but I wouldn't make a list based on gender, race, or political stance. NO.... wait.... I actually would. In fact, I would make a list just to read the comment section afterwards. cheers!

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Mike
Sep 13, 2012 3:22pm

In reply to Austin:

So this is what it's like to see someone drown...

Awesome list Stuart, love your live shows, come back to the States soon!

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ross
Sep 20, 2012 10:00am

It's worth mentioning that the 'goth' thing in this article is clearly just a wee bit of banter. Fun. A laugh. It's a good list. Seems pretty honest to me. if you're not a mogwai fan or have a personal grievance with Stuart, perhaps it's best to avoid articles about them/him. Everyone's a winner.

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Apr 5, 2013 12:11am

love you stue

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