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Pete Shelley Interview: The Fate & The Fury Of The Buzzcocks
David Gavan , October 21st, 2009 09:16

Pete Shelley discusses the spirit of punk, the quirks of fate and the legacy of the Buzzcocks with David Gavan. Photograph by Ian Rook.

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Best known for their 1978 pop punk classic, 'Ever Fallen in Love (With Someone You Shouldn't've)', frontman Pete Shelley maintains that Buzzcocks were always more than a mere chart band.

Shelley: "I think there's a lingering misconception that we were just a singles outfit, but if you listen to the albums, they contain lots of things beyond three minute love songs. As well as people like The Beatles, Bolan and Bowie, I always enjoyed more challenging stuff like Can or Yoko Ono."

You'll be able to make up your own minds when the band plays the 'Nightmare Before Christmas Festival' - an 'All Tomorrow's Parties' event curated by My Bloody Valentine - at Butlin's Holiday Centre, Minehead, on December 4.

Since reforming in 1989, Buzzcocks have played a seemingly endless series of international shows without coming over like a punk cabaret act- largely due to timeless tunes and the obvious pleasure they take in performing.

"Yeah, the lucky thing with us is we have all these songs that we never tire of playing. They're just like old friends for me, so when certain ones come along I'm thinking: 'Oh, I really enjoy doing that one'."

While luck figures in the formation of all great bands, Shelley's meeting with Buzzcocks' eventual guitar player Steve Diggle sounds like the stuff of French farce.

It all started in February 1976, when Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto (Buzzcocks' co- founder) read a review of a London Sex Pistols gig. Their interest was especially piqued by The Pistols' "We're not into music- we're into chaos" quote. The next weekend, having borrowed a car and driven to London to see the band, they told Sex Pistols' manager Malcolm McLaren they would try and get a show for them in Manchester. Soon they had arranged for the Pistols to play the town's Lesser Free Trade Hall- a gig the fledgling Buzzcocks couldn't play due to their lack of a bassist and drummer. The date of the show was June 4 1976.

"I was in the box office selling tickets for Malcolm, and he went outside to find an audience for the show. Apparently Steve Diggle, who we'd never met, had answered a newspaper advert placed by a guitarist who needed a bass player. By sheer chance, they'd agreed to meet outside the hall that night", laughs Shelley. "So when Malcolm, who knew that me and Howard had placed our own advert for musicians, got talking to Steve, it became clear that he'd answered an advert. Well, Malcolm just assumed that this was our new Buzzcock. He brought him into the hall and introduced him to me as my new bass player. That's how I ended up with the wrong musician! Then, while we were trying to work out what was happening, Malcolm comes back in with the guy Steve should have originally met and announces: 'Here's your new guitarist'. When the penny had dropped, I said to Steve: 'You might as well hang around and watch The Sex Pistols'. He stayed and then came to rehearse with us the next day; it was just one of those ridiculous quirks of fate."

Dame fate was clearly in good form that night. Other members of the audience who had their destinies hijacked by Rotten and Co. included Manchester pop impresario Tony Wilson and future members of Joy Division and The Smiths. The gig has been called one of the most influential shows in rock history.

Buzzcocks appeared to incendiary effect when the Sex Pistols returned to the Free Trade Hall six weeks later, thereby lighting the blue touch paper for punk in the North of England. They also borrowed £500 and formed Britain's first independent record company, New Hormones, to release their superb Spiral Scratch EP. However, a restless Devoto left Buzzcocks before the record's release and formed the excellent Magazine. Clearly, the idea of Buzzcocks playing hapless waifs to Malcolm McLaren's wily Fagin is way off the mark.

But Buzzcocks also influenced popular culture in subtler ways. Just as the band's punky Beatles sound developed into something more adventurous, their randy nihilism gave way to Shelley's lovelorn self- revelation, tempered by Steve Diggle's bolshy political songs. Rumour has it that Shelley was engaged to a fellow college student and, when the relationship ended, his distress found an outlet in the songs that made him famous. Meanwhile, young punks who may have baulked at Shelley's bisexuality or lines like "I'm in distress, I need a caress", found themselves seduced by the gorgeous tunes that lay beneath the chainsaw guitars. Did he worry that his romantic vulnerability would alienate his audience?

"Well", he reflects, "I never knew there was a law against sounding vulnerable. And anyway, personal politics are part of the human condition, so what could be more political than human relationships? Many of those songs are more about not having love- the downside of things.

"I heard that Joe Strummer once told Paul Weller that he should write songs about life as it's lived, rather than singing about driving around the freeway in convertibles. I mean, in England we didn't have convertibles - or even freeways - so we had to do something else. We were sick of those boring old farts from America and, if our songs sounded bleak, well that's normal if you live in Manchester. It's grim up North," he jokes in his best Jack Duckworth voice.

Like an episode of 'Coronation Street' scripted by Alan Bennett, Buzzcocks combined homeliness with a talent for expressing life's sterner home truths. Songs like 'Fast Cars' ("They may win you admirers, but they'll never earn you friends") essayed a northern disdain for flashiness while boasting state of the art punk riffs. As the band matured, Shelley's searing torch songs began to share stage space with more philosophical numbers. Again, Shelley is keen to stress that there was more to his band than perfectly crafted pop songs.

"Both me and Howard Devoto did humanities at Bolton Institute of Technology [where they also received honorary doctorates last July]. I was doing philosophy and comparative european literature when Buzzcocks started", he sniggers. "As Steve Diggle says, we were punks with library cards. We found this whole other world of ideas, but tried to temper all that meaningful stuff with humour. Really, punk was about questioning things."

Talking to Shelley there's a sense that before he met Howard Devoto, he felt marginalised in Manchester's decaying vistas. On Saturdays when everyone else went to football, he would visit music shops and ogle unaffordable guitars, or rifle through racks of records. Did it feel fateful when Shelley bumped into Devoto?

"Well, yes, it was fun meeting him because he wasn't some macho rugby player, and we had shared interests. Before that, I felt like a bit of an alien. I first spoke to Devoto when I happened to be visiting friends in some local flats. As I walked through the corridor, I heard this strange music (which turned out to be King Crimson) playing behind someones' door, so I just knocked to ask what it was. We got on really well.

"Soon after that, he left an advert on our college noticeboard asking if anyone wanted to work out a version the Velvet Underground's 'Sister Ray'. I liked the song, so I just thought 'Yeah!'. Most people thought the music we were into was just noise, but we thought it was the future. Even now, I think the Velvet Underground are more influential than they're given credit for."

When I mention that the same is often said of his band, Shelley squirms with embarrassment.

"Well, I'm probably as bemused as Lou Reed is in that case", he splutters. "It is something I try not to dwell on, as there'd be lots of other things I'd be blamed for too. Actually, one of the early Detroit house music guys, Kevin Saunderson, said he was influenced by my solo work. So, apparently, I'm responsible for the house music movement as well!"

Shelley's refusal to take his contribution to pop seriously, even while he asserts Buzzcocks' status as a serious albums band, seems contradictory. But then, we are talking about a former philosophy student whose career was launched by two chance meetings and a broken heart. That's enough to make anyone question the whims of fate.


Oct 22, 2009 1:23am

That band photo at the top was actually taken by Ian Rook.

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paul coleridge
Oct 30, 2009 5:41pm

Yeah, Buzzcocks are a life- affirmingly great band. And, yes, maybe their self- deprecation prevented them from attaining the plaudits of the (admittedly) brilliant Magazine. If in doubt, tho, try watching 'Shot By Both Sides' and then 'Lipstick' on Youtube. Both are incendiary tracks; and both share Shelley's melodramatic guitarline. Aural amphetamine.

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kieran murray
Nov 4, 2009 1:44pm

At the time, " you make me feel i'm dirt- and i'm hurt" gave me and my mates a "What did he say?!" moment. Shelley had the courage to express real feelings in a macho age. He wore his broken heart on his sleeve , which is just so endearing

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Nov 20, 2009 5:10am

Seeing y'all tomorrow night in Melbourne (again!), can't wait.

My bf back then once remarked
"It's funny thinking about the words to the Buzzcocks songs and knowing he was singing about a guy." The Buzzcocks may have helped broaden some minds!

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Nov 21, 2009 12:39am

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Heheh, I used to say that about Husker Du. Its cool they slipped through the macho net of the day.

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