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Slipknot's All Hope Is Gone Not Just A Clever Name...
John Doran , August 13th, 2008 11:44

John Doran slowly peels back the masks of so-called extreme metal behemoths Slipknot and looks at the jaundiced and withered flesh underneath. It isn’t, he concludes, a pretty sight.

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‘Execute / Gemetia (The Killing Name)’
Things start off promisingly with loops of marshalled feedback, static and hiss and a suitably stentorian voice that sounds like it is being transmitted from a future war into your front room. There is much talk about something significant happening 40 years ago involving a “man”. Who this man is or what he did isn’t quite clear, but luckily we’re saved from having to think too much about this by the arrival of a popping field of double bass kicks that predict the early onset of carpal tunnel syndrome in the ankles. There’s a thrillingly old school thrash accompaniment, like a glistening reworking of some Bay Area riff courtesy of Testament or ‘South Of Heaven’ era Slayer. The second verse with its shouted refrain is one of the few points on the disc where a hardcore element really makes itself felt, and this suits the more political edge to the lyrics: “America is a killing name . . . nothing is real . . . we will burn your cities down.”

Being as this is the stinking element that we most associate with hell and damnation, expectations are high for this track. There is the whiff of something about the song and it’s not the emergence of demons from the inferno though, it’s the rank smell of nu-metal, with great big slabs of melodic metalcore. You’d think that by their fourth album a band the size of Slipknot could be doing without this kind of filler. Marshalling loads of trends that were current a few years ago together isn’t or shouldn’t be an option for a band this size. The guitar solo is so tired you feel like fetching it a pillow and a duvet. The junkyard coda with the “breathing in sulphur!” refrain is excellent though. This is a frustrating feeling indeed when you hear a band patently underperforming.

‘Psycho Social’
There comes a time in every metal review’s life when the word ‘brutal’ must be unleashed. And that time is now. This is the first physical single off the album, calling to mind the grinding machine tooled grooves of Aftershock, Prong and Pantera with lyrics that seem to be a meditation on alcoholism or substance abuse: “I did my time!”

‘Dead Memories’
What’s this? A power ballad? It sounds suspiciously like one to me. While not quite worthy of inclusion on a Leather and Lace compilation, this is surely not what Slipknot are paid for. It combines the post rehab introspectiveness of Trent Reznor fitted with a slightly scuffed up, one size fits all, Nickelback stadium angst riff. I’m sorry but if I wanted to see grown men dressed as clowns getting all pissy eyed about ex girlfriends and punching themselves in the face, there’s a specialist members only club in Kings Cross I could go to. It’s safe to say that I haven’t inhaled from a jar containing a dead crow but I still feel a little bit sick. Releasing this as a single (as they intend to) may well make commercial sense for getting radio play and the video on high rotation but this kind of thing just makes a mockery of what Slipknot should be about.

Ah, this is more like it. Pneumatic beats pounded on steel caskets and drum kit, a funereal dirge of a down-tuned riff, brief NWOBHM twin guitar assault curlicues and a satisfying hint of Southern swagger to the vocals. The Anselmo-like controlled aggression of the growl: “Are you ready for the time of your life?” mixed with Faith No More backing harmonies adds exactly the amount of implied violence that the title suggests.

‘Butcher’s Hook’
Awesome. I wonder if Slipknot know that this is cockney rhyming slang for take a look? It’s easy to imagine all the best butchers from history – Sweeny Todd, Leatherface, Arkan, the guy with the cleaver from Delicatessen, Pat, Frank, Ricky; all of them naked, with hard-ons dancing round a white tiled filleting room with blood and faeces dripping down the walls. “Ric-kay! Ric-kay! What’s goin’ on in there Ric-kay?!” “Uh, nuffin’ Bianca Lahv. I’ve just got some friends round.”

Gehenna was the valley outside of the walls of Jerusalem at the foot of Mount Zion where rubbish was dumped (including corpses and carcasses) and the stench, smoke and flames of this place led to it becoming synonymous with the Jewish perception of Hell. The name fits the song well, and even though they’ve slowed things right down again this is an evil concoction of creaking synths playing a doomy and gothic refrain surrounded by feedback and even Theremins. Again, there is more than a hint of Nine Inch Nails here – an anguished howl of self-loathing. A desire to lose the self-entirely to become burnt up until there is nothing left - Coincidentally, Gehenna to the Jews wasn’t a place where sinners should be tortured for all eternity but where they should be purified or burnt until not a scrap remained.

‘This Cold Black’
This is probably the heaviest track on the album. Imagine dropping a 3ft wide, solid steel manhole cover on your bollocks and then having a Panzer full of cybermen drive backwards and forwards over it. This is party music for cyborgs with its talk of “post traumatic war machines” and the “pneumatic destroyer, pathetic seducer”. It’s good to hear that they can still occasionally pour their unenviable levels of angst and recrimination into tracks like this and not just into fighting with each other.

‘Wherein Lies Continue’
A militaristic junkyard tattoo beaten out on oil drums, copper pipes, corrugated iron and rusty railings makes the marching band from hell. Producer Dave Fortman has really done his job in some respects, especially on the drum separation and the percussion.

One can only hope that this track is about the mentholated and powdered tobacco treat that Edwardian gentlemen used to powder their noses with when in need of a pick me up. Probably not though. This sounds more like Extreme or Mr Big than Slipknot. 12 string guitar? Check. Camp fire vibes? Check. Soppy lyrics? Check. All the pieces are in place for a great big wedge of cuntery. What the fuck are these lyrics about? “I press your lettuce to my lips”? Ah, letters. Fuck. Off. This sounds like Whitesnake or The Scorpions. Absolute garbage.

‘All Hope Is Gone’
Well, you said it. Despite the fact that this song kicks arse (It was the free download from their site) one has to wonder whether we shouldn’t be expecting a lot more from Slipknot. This whole album sounds like a mess of shards, speedily if expertly gaffa-taped together because we’re dealing with a band who can’t stand each other. This internal bickering and inability to get on with each other was grist for their creative mill 10 years ago when they were in their mid-30s but now they’re in their 40s, it has become a collective millstone. Let’s put it this way: Slayer’s fourth album was South Of Heaven; Metallica’s . . . And Justice For all; while Iron Maiden’s was Piece Of Mind. If Slipknot consider themselves a world class metal band, then this level of patchiness won’t do. This shit should have been nailed down years ago.

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jonny mugwump
Aug 13, 2008 12:57pm

Underneath those masks are Burial, Fatboy Slim, Aphex Twin and The Carpenters- BOTH of them.

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Josh Fry
Aug 14, 2008 12:05am

they are in their 30s now dumb ass reviewer guy....if you can't get that right then what makes you think I'm even gonna take an ounce of your review with a grain of salt.

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- -
Aug 14, 2008 7:09am

They are in their 30's. They are getting along extremely well. They are not a one dimensional band. There are probably half a dozen other things wrong with this ignorant review. Next time get a reviewer that isn't John Doran when dealing with a world renowned band.

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NIck Zee
Aug 14, 2008 7:30am

John doran should be the one wearing the mask mate no one wants to see that shit

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John Doran
Aug 14, 2008 9:00am

'Poofter'? Maybe. Look, statistically speaking, at least two of Slipknot are gay - there's no need to be afraid of sexuality. It's normal. You should celebrate diversity.

Several of Slipknot are in their 40s. I don't think even they'd deny that.

The first album is awesome, the second is supberb, the third is uneven - this is below par and it stinks to high heaven of a bunch of grumpy middle aged men who can't stand to be in the same room as each other. If not it wouldn't be piecemeal and just lots of different bits all stuck together.

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John Smith
Aug 14, 2008 12:05pm

By the looks of it though only 3-4 songs which are reviewed are bad, so why is the album overall so bad and whats up with the final sentence, a tad harsh? "This shit should have been nailed down years ago"; what does that even mean? I think this review is biased because the reviewer takes a disliking to whole idea of nu metal or soft songs from a band that usually does hard songs

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jak dw
Aug 14, 2008 3:40pm

fuck that slipknot is the best band ever i dont care what you say
snuff sounds like the best melodic song i've ever heard.

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Fuck You
Aug 14, 2008 4:56pm

Please hire a decent reviewer, this guy is a complete idiot who doesn't even appear to have passed English in high school. Nevermind that he has obviously not got a clue about the band.

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frog ribbit
Aug 14, 2008 5:41pm

obviously the person that has written this review has done a horrible job. Would you please, first do some research about the band before you even dare to make remarks of the songs.
Also, I find it very funny to see that every up tempo/ more rock like track is well taken (xcept for sulfur) whereas every slow song is beaten to the ground with the argument "this isn't slipknot"

do you remember these lyrics from the old time?:"don't you fucking judge me!" who are you to decide whether that's a slipknot track or not, snuff, sloppy lyrics? dude, do you even know what it's about?
a pathetic review

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frog ribbit
Aug 14, 2008 6:02pm

you even got their age wrong xD

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Dick McTwist
Aug 14, 2008 6:49pm

That was the weakest review I've ever written in my life. Your metaphors don't even make sense, and you are judging a band based on your own biased opinion. First of all, you got their ages wrong, which goes to show the lack of research you have done. Second of all, I love how you stated that a song "shouldn't be what Slipknot is about" how do you even know what Slipknot is about? Slipknot have always done what they wanted to, and stayed true to themselves. If anything, THATS what they're about. But this isn't even just for Slipknot. Only a band knows what the band is about, because they are the ones living in their own shoes. I also love how you glorified their heavy songs, and put down all their soft/melodic songs. Slipknot have grown up from just screaming all the time. They've matured. Get over it. Grow up.

Pick a better reviewer next time.
I hope some of you reading this review and the comments agree with me.
thank you:)

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Bertie Beans
Aug 14, 2008 8:24pm

You clearly don't know shit mate. They're in their mid-30s not 40s. This is certainly a biased and badly written review.

Just give up mate.


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Andrew Stimpson
Aug 15, 2008 9:38am

"YOU ARE A POOFTER ", "You clearly don't know shit mate", "Grow up", "dumb ass reviewer guy", "this guy is a complete idiot who doesn't even appear to have passed English in high school", "loooool".


Considering this review never said the album is shit I think you all need to sit back and relax. If the accusations that it is 'patchy', prone to outbursts of emo and that some of the band are in their forties infuriates you all so intensely then perhaps you should divert your negative energies into something more constructive.
Like an alternative review or self harm perhaps.

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nick zee
Aug 15, 2008 11:14am

In reply to Andrew Stimpson:

Slipknot is among the greats and is definately not emo u salad bar regular. John Doran is not his real name. It is actually Quirrel Mishavananack.


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Jayson Youdontneedmylastname
Aug 15, 2008 8:56pm

Your grammar is horrid, and you think that "All Hope is Gone" is a clever name - yet, you insult the intellect of one of the greatest lyricists in the world? And where are your sources that Slipknot members hate eachother? Shouldn't this be considered slander? Good journalism is a reflection of an unbiased, well educated opinion. Your blatant lack of both is painfully obvious here, and would leave me to believe reviews like this are the reason you are writing for a 2nd tier (at best) website, and probably make a dismal wage. If not for the fans, readers, and bands, at least try a little harder for your own personal income.

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John Doran
Aug 16, 2008 8:19am

I'd accept this criticism more gracefully if it were from someone who could spell his own name correctly and didn't use the Oxford comma.

I know Slipknot don't get on because they've said so in the past themselves in publications like Metal Hammer and Kerrang! And because I've met and interviewed them.

It's not slander when it's written down you fucking cretin - it's libel.

As for my lack of unbiased and well educated opinion - do you not think you should wait until you've heard the album yourself, until you jump to this conclusion? Play 'Snuff' a few times and then get back to me.

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Rob Chesworth
Aug 16, 2008 10:01am

If your going to criticise at least spell the names of the songs right. It's GEMATRIA, not GEMETIA. Idiot. And Slipknot arent in their 40s. The oldest member is about 38, why lie about that? you are just being pathetic. Your review stinks.

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John Smith
Aug 16, 2008 11:28am

John why is your review stand alone, how comes every other review is positive; revolver: 5/5 rock sound: 9/10 the guardian: 4/5
Maybe you have got it wrong?

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Youssef Aly
Aug 16, 2008 11:52am

Well I think he reviewd the wrong album...
Or maybe he didn't even hear the album and just writting some random review..
From his review, and from his replies to the people here, he doesn's seem a bit professional at all..
Where have they gone good reviewers???
I wonder...

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Aug 16, 2008 3:29pm


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Al Hutch
Aug 16, 2008 7:40pm

Some people seem to overreact to bad press for their favourite band (if thats the case then i point you in the direction of REvolver, Rocksound and the guardian who gave it 5/5, 9/10 and 4/5 respectively). I think the problem is that instead of offering some sort of description of the songs you dislike (Sulfur, Dead Memories, Snuff and Gehenna) you just seem to be sucked into a way of describing them in the most OTT fashion you can ie "Gehenna was... where rubbish was dumped (including corpses and carcasses) and the stench, smoke and flames of this place led to it becoming synonymous with the Jewish perception of Hell. The name fits the song well". I'm going to get the album anyway because, from what ive read elsewhere, the band are moving in a few new directions-its what all great bands do- I just hope that in your next reviews you'll enlighten the reader as to WHY a song doesn't work not just how it sucks.

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John Doran
Aug 17, 2008 12:40am

Well, thanks for the balanced criticism of my review rather than some badly worded FUCK YOU MUM DUDE BLAH BLAH nonsense . . . but from my point of view, I have described the music. There's a certain amount of hubris and sarcasm yes but it's actually supposed to be my job to be entertaining as well as informative. I can see that very few people reading this review think I'm either but as stupid and pointless as being a rock writer is - I'm not doing it to win friends or to get to hang out with bands. I'm just calling it how I see it.

Now the interesting thing here - that I've repeated several times but everyone has ignored is: I like Slipknot. I will go as far as posting a picture here of my holding all of my Slipknot picture discs if anyone likes. Perhaps you would like me to reproduce the feature I did for Metal Hammer on Sid aka DJ Starscream, or my 10 out of 10 Slayer, Slipknot, Mastodon, Hatebreed Unholy Allience live review for Hammer - calling it "one of the greatest metal gigs ever". I could even put up a picture of me and four mates at a fancy dress do actually in Slipknot costumes but of course none of this would matter one jot as really all people seem to be interested in reading is: OMG!!! Slipknot have released the best album eva! They r so brilliant!!! etc.

Which, apparently, you can read in The Guardian. It got 4/5 out of in Q as well.

Well, you know, all of these publications would rate the Black Album by Metallica as being better than 'Ride The Lightning' or 'Master of Puppets'. Does that necessarily mean that they are right?

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Al Hutch
Aug 17, 2008 3:54pm

Of course not. My only suggestion(other than the afore-mentioned one) is to bear in mind that people are looking for positive reviews and perhaps your dislike of this album is too extreme for some to handle, or at least it comes across that way. Your clearly not "....ING STUPID" as one user put it, considering your articles in Metal Hammer, but maybe as your writing is on the internet-where people can easily reply - rather than a magazine, where people would have to go through more effort to contact you, you may have to adjust your style slightly? But hey, thats why you've got a job as a reviewer! For the most part, i enjoyed your review and look forward to reading more of your articles.

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Victor Mesen
Aug 18, 2008 6:42am

The thing is that after all the buzz behing this all, everyone is waiting it to be a fucking masterpiece, but you're the one that can talk about it because you're one of they few that had already listened it, we cannot say that your opinion is either right or wrong because we're only listened Psychosocial and All Hope Is Gone, and by the way, i'm looking forward to listen Snuff, because I want to either aprove your opinion or post a really big FUCK YOU.

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John Doran
Aug 18, 2008 8:49am

I must admit, I was holding back on pointing that out. The track 'All Hope Is Gone' is awesome, as is 'Psychosocial' but they're not reprasentative of the whole album.

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Dan Franklin
Aug 18, 2008 11:11am

John, I loved this piece, and I must congratulate you on the site and its metal coverage in general. It's good to see thoughtful music writing which doesn't treat metal with disdain. I agree with you about the arc of Slipknot's albums, IOWA is a stone cold classic not least because Mr Taylor's vocals are just beyond anything else in the genre. What he does in the last section of 'Disasterpiece' puts EVRYONE in the genre to shame. The comment about 'Dead Memories' made me laugh out loud. I'm worried about this album and the cloying melodicism that's creepiing into their sound. But in their day they were phenomenal, fucked-up carnival metal for a fallen world. Their set at Reading 2002 was one of the greatest I've ever seen and is generally acknowledged as one of their best. But the impending sense of disappointment is clearly getting to a few of the dudes who've posted here! Keep up the good work, man.

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Sean Warnick
Aug 19, 2008 12:40pm

Sorry but I have to disagree almost entirely with your review
You got Dead Memories dead on - a bad track, which should've been kept for a Stone Sour album
But it's the only one on the album. The rest of the songs are rather brilliant
There was no way Slipknot where gonna live upto the hype of this album, but damn, they're nearly there, and this album is fantasic
And comparing them to Metallica, Iron Maiden and Slayer? Let's not forget, those albums all came out 20 or more years ago, and music has changed hugely. Even Metallica, Iron Maiden and Slayer aren't releasing albums that good anymore. If you're going to compare them to other metal bands you should at least compare them to metal bands releasing their fourth albums NOW, not twenty years ago.
Also, saying 'Awesome' and then rambling on about cockney slang is hardly a review, especially considering it's one of the better tracks. It seems you only have alot to say about the songs themselves when you're being negative.

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Andrew Stimpson
Aug 19, 2008 8:26pm

Yeah. Tankard's fourth album was shit.

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clam destroyer
Aug 19, 2008 9:33pm

good review, pretty much sums up this album.

this album is 50% excellence and 50% shit. it's better the vol. 3, but it doesn't even touch the first 2 masterpieces. corey seriously should have saved the light crap for stone sour, not that theres anything wrong with lighter music, but there is when corey taylor is involved, his form of mainstream rock is fucking atrocious

the only people that think this album is great are 15 year old "maggots" that are switching between all hope is gone and the latest icp album. fuck off kids, the people that have been listening to this band since the late 90's have higher standards for slipknot

either way, i do plan on jamming out the handful of good songs on this album, that's more than i did for vol. 3, which got tossed out my car window the day i bought that piece of shit

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Jonas Høiberg Nielsen
Aug 19, 2008 9:36pm

Wow.. an entire review devoted to making a clichéish comment on its title.

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Manuel Garcia
Aug 19, 2008 11:53pm

You (John Doran) are way to harsh on this new album. Why is it that every other professional reviewer praised the album? You seem to be the only one that dislikes this album. Sure Slipknot's musical style has changed a little bit but that doesn't make them bad or "not a world class metal band." You should seriously take some more time and listen to the album over and over again before you judge this album (this should go with any album as a matter of fact). If you judge an album by only listening to it once then its not a valid review.

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Hybrid Gensus
Aug 20, 2008 7:42am

I think you did a good job with the review! I totally agree with your views.. well, except with the ones that you've made on the slow songs.. Yes, that is totally not Slipknot (it started being a part of them after Vol. 3) and you would expect "creepier" instead of "slower" but still those songs are not bad at all.
People that don't know shit about music but desperately tend to protect their favorite bands will never get close to any criticism because in their eyes, the band is a flawless God. Yet the fact that enthusiasm can get tattered over the years and loose its power is a known fact (St. Anger of Metallica, Take a Look.. of Korn) and Slipknot has started to go that way at some points. The most important one being that Slipknot is going towards the "patchy" album style, where you don't feel the album being a whole but written songs assembled on a CD. What the old CDs had was such an anger and energy that it wouldn't let go of you. But now things have changed and Slipknot is trying to be original and up to their previous hype by trying to be experimental in riffs, which breaks the album into parts..
What has disturbed me with this album is that, well, there are 9 people in this band and I don't know what the fuck they are doing.. I look at Kayo Dot and their productions and get amazed because they use the full potential of their numbers (even now, when they are 2 main, couple guest members) and Slipknot is hardly being any different than a band with 3-4 members (yes, it looks amazing when live, but..)
So don't worry about the shit people say because the majority of this review touches on a good base and the followers of Slipknot will continue to bug you with "bad grammar" "not 40-yo, stupid" "biased" and other kind of shit, so spray em off and change the CD =)

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Maarten De Queecker
Aug 20, 2008 9:21am

I've listened to the whole album repeatedly now and I'm disappointed. I absolutely have no problems with bands that try something different, on the contrary, I encourage it but All Hope Is Gone is very inconsistent in song style as well in quality. Someone called AHIG patched and I can only agree with that. It's like they don't know what they want to play anymore. I really prefer the agression (and immaturity) of IOWA over the uncertainty of AHIG. They should make up their mind whether they want to stay heavy or go the rock/metal-hybrid way of Stone Sour.

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Tony Bones
Aug 20, 2008 4:35pm

Wait, so this guy didn't like, what, two of the songs he heard?
And this means the album sucks? Is he a fucking dope?
Usually, when you like 80% of something, that means it is good.
Plus, he didn't even hear Gematria (or review it), which is the sickest song of all of them. It's also a song this guy would like, so the percentage of what he liked would go even higher.

It is apparent this guy doesn't like Slipknot, and had the attitude that he would not like this album no matter what,

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Aug 21, 2008 2:48am

In reply to John Doran:

Wow. Well actually I won't go to criticize you even though you're wrong with whatever you want to think! I believe Slipknot evolved well and the new album was worth the wait. Glad they dumped Rubin. He almost killed their sound. Obviously he killed Linkin Park. Bad choice for them too of choosing that rap label bearded idiot then. I look past Slayer still however. The guy above you that said something about you being the one "wearing the mask"; Wtf does he mean by that?! What's wrong with the masks? I think some of them are fucking awesome! I just bought No. 7 mask on ebay, got a good deal. Halloween is coming up. Slipknot won't be forgotten by the massive amount of Maggots. However this inept review should be, sorry. No offense anyway on your credibility (if any after this) as a rock reviewer.

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Charley Gompa
Aug 21, 2008 10:50am

Some of you people should shut up.. It's HIS opinion. Sure, it may have killed some hype you had, but maybe the album really is bad?

I liked St. Anger but it was canned by critics. I absolutely did NOT think that Christ Illusion was the best Slayer album released, yet it boasts the only 2 Grammys.

Everyone sees/hears things differently. (unless you are not attuned to actual music and listen to Justin Timberlake or hip-hop/other crap "music".

And I'm 15 years old, and I know a lot of you readers are too; the reviewer is probably much older, so try to show a little respect as well..

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Aug 21, 2008 12:29pm

I don't agree with how this review is written, but I certainly agree with the intention. This album isn't that great but Slipknot have always been flawed in my opinion. I love the band and I've enjoyed all 4 albums but they've still to come up with a complete masterpiece where every track is top class, I think Iowa has come closest.

I loved the heavier tracks on this album (Gematria is one of my favourite Slipknot songs already I think) but there were many tracks that disappointed me like Sulphur and Dead Memories)

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J4ck Sh1T
Aug 21, 2008 4:20pm

The reviewer is right, one could have expected way more from these guys than a lousy patchjob. I had their 1999 s/t (official) debut before the band became a hype and it kicked ass. They kicked ass again with Iowa, Vol. 3 took some time to get used to but it got better the more I listened to it. This one's only getting worse, the first song (skip the boring intro) sounds like The Heretic Anthem with a capo about halfway up the scale. If the music had worked then who had given a flying fuck about their age? Get real, my hope for Slipknot has gone..

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Tony Bones
Aug 22, 2008 4:10am

You're a shit bird. This album slits your fucking throat. Gematria (The Killing Name), or the "first song" as you put it, absolutely kicks your fucking teeth in. The album is just as good, if not better, than the last one.

As for this clown John Doran, he likes almost every song in his breakdown, yet bashes the album. He is a fool.
Pay him no mind.

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J4ck Sh1T
Aug 22, 2008 6:21am

@ Tony Bones;
No reason to get personal here. You think this album is the shit, I think it lacks all elements that made Slipknot what they are today. Luckily we are all entitled to have a personal opinion...

About the review; the main reason I chose to comment on it is that John Doran puts down a subjective impression of the CD and added an objective final thought, one that I fully agree with. I'm not telling you to feel the same, Doran isn't telling you his opinion is the absolute thruth, the real problem is some people here are taking it all way too personal.

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Madness is my name
Aug 22, 2008 10:31pm

Worst album so far but better then mate feed kill repeat
when i heard they said it is gonne be heavy as fuck i whas like kool
but i din't really know what they meant bt heavy as fuck so when i heard all hope is gone (song) i whas like fuck yeah this sound SIIIICCC then psychosocial came it an good song but not better then all hope is gone so finally after long waiting all hope is gone whas here man im disappointed as shit though there are some good songs on it but most is crap for fuk sake
im giving it an 3/5

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Necro Nomicon
Aug 23, 2008 1:47am

About the review: yeah, he's a biased. Calling "Snuff" "absolute garbage" is biased. Saying it sounds like Whitesnake or The Scorpions is plain idiotic. It's a very good song. In fact, is one of the few standout tracks on the album.
And what's with all the NIN comparisons? I've been a fan of NIN for ages and I don't hear anything that sounds like that in "All hope...".
About the album: well, it took a couple of listens to grow into me... I liked Vol. 3 better, but this is a pretty good album. Most of the riffs sound very generic and rushed, so the overall result is affected, and the production was WAY better in Vol. 3, but I like it. I was hoping for a 9/10, specially after hearing the singles and reading the band's comments about the album going to ripp our faces off and the world not being ready for it... NOT TRUE.
I would say 7,5/10, maybe 8/10.

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J4ck Sh1T
Aug 24, 2008 12:28am

Here's an interesting interview with Jim Root;

It explains why this CD isn't as good as everyone had hoped....

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Joe X
Aug 24, 2008 3:41am

In reply to John Doran:

Look, let's break the ice. I respect your review because, as Slipknot has mentioned, they do not expect their music to be enjoyed by everybody. You either like them or you don't. But there were some parts in your review that were somewhat... misinterpreted.By that I mean that you were describing the band as 40-year-olds who couldn't stand each other when in for the recording of this album they were all actually involved in the writing process, all arriving on time, and they even wrote over 30 songs. And right now, they couldn't be happier. I think the album is flat-out amazing because of the extreme variety of music it contains. I was so impressed with Vol. 3 because its sound was so diverse, S/T and IOWA were starting to get sickening because it was basically the same. And the fact that they're capable making songs from "The Blister Exists" to "Circle" to "Danger-Keep Away" is what makes them an amazing band. That they don't just focus on making overall suffocating extreme songs (Which in AHIG is highly impressive: Gematria, This Cold Black, All Hope Is Gone), but that they expand their musical talent and create beatiful songs (Dead Memories, Snuff). They've put so much heart, mind and soul into this album that, no matter what you say about it, you'll still like at least ONE song from it. And keep this in mind: If they were still like they were back in "IOWA", it would have been so tired that you'd yawn like hell! One final thing is that if you listen to this album (in your case, patiently), you'll realize that it is Slipknot; at its best.

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Nathan Howard
Aug 24, 2008 1:33pm

I think this review is irrelevant. Slipknot dont make music to please some reviewer They make it to fuck the radio up with kick-ass distorted sounds and not the norm. Sure you say Snuff has certain vbes in it but to me that shows maturity. They dont want to be playin the same shit over and same sound over and over. They're diversifying they're saound and reflecting the chainging mood of the band, again not to please anybody but to give themselves satisfaction with they're work. The album is great.

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Chris Reynolds
Aug 24, 2008 7:41pm

First of all: John Doran, whether he is an idiot or a genius, is a reviewer. Reviewers are meant to have their own opinion. This is his.

Second: This amount of arguing is what makes a website shit.

Third: Sorry John, but if you keep posting back this is only going to get worse. I totally understand wanting to defend yourself--I would want to do the same. But if you keep this up, the next step for your superiors will be to fire you. Plain and simple. Your job would would erased. PLEASE, for your own sake, stop replying to these morons. If they truly want to argue, they can haul their asses over to some shitty forum where there are no rules.

I sincerely hope you will listen to my advice.

P.S.--I do disagree with your review but, hey, reviews afre all about opinion, rightÉ

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morgan shenton
Aug 24, 2008 9:35pm

look does it realy matter i LOVE slipknot
others might not
no matter wat reviews this album gets
shit or good
i will buy this album and probobly love it
people take music to seroiusly slipknot to rhianna to bring me the horizon to gwen stephanie
why cant we all just get on?

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dominic Sweet
Aug 24, 2008 9:45pm

hey this is just piss taking not the truth i cant belive what you hav put about there awsome new album so if you recon this is S.H.I.T i bet u think s club 6 is amazin
so come on...dont diss the best band in the world ass holes

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Number Nine
Aug 24, 2008 9:52pm

This review is shit. It only makes sense if you're the kind of Slipknot "fan" who doesn't think they should do anything but Blister Exists type stuff. THe kind of "fan" who almost keeled over when hearing Vermillion Pt. 2 for the first time. Jesus Christ, come one. People feel more than just anger and shit. This is ridiculous. The reason Slipknot is who they are is because they do what THEY want to do, and fuck the reviewers who disagree. Snuff is an amazing song, if one listens to it with an open mind and doesn't just say it's stupid because it's not like everything else.

John, i respect your opinion, but you can't review shit with a closed mind. You can't review it and say that the music is bad because it doesn't fit your image of the band. Maybe you're not a fan of Slipknot's music, or you don't understand the complexities of human emotion. Not everything can be thrash and screaming. It gets old. So does constant bitching and whining about "this kind of thing just makes a mockery of what Slipknot should be about." Really? You sound like a 14 year old emo poser kid trying to act cool by trashing a band as a sellout. Grow up.

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James Jackson
Aug 24, 2008 9:56pm

In reply to John Doran:

Hey, dipshit, maybe I have. And I still disagree. What now?

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James Jackson
Aug 24, 2008 10:04pm

I have listened to snuff. It was exceptional. It just wasn't metal. So what? Is that a crime? Slipknot can do whatever they want. I listened to Snuff. I STILL don't agree with your review of it. SO now what are you gonna tell me? My ears aren't working?

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Michael Davis
Aug 25, 2008 2:27am

In reply to John Doran:

Mr. Doran, you are clearly mistaken. The eldest member of Slipknot, Shawn Crahan, turns 40 in September of 2009. The other musicians span from 30-37 years of age.

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Darryl Yeadon
Aug 25, 2008 4:54am

What the hell? What do you know about good music? Their sound has evolved into something better and all you can do is insult it? I stopped reading this review when you dissed Dead Memories because you're just full of shit. You ignore everything that makes this song good. I wish I got paid to do your job cuz I know I would do a way better job. Get your facts straight

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Matt Campelli
Aug 25, 2008 1:44pm

In reply to John Doran:

Looks like your review did its job in provoking thought. I prefer the Oxford comma simply for aesthetics.

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Am Jt
Aug 25, 2008 9:31pm

hey, you guys, this is just ridiculous, this review in any standards is just childish garbage, it even doesn't worth this amount of discussion. you don't even need to know the band or listen to the album to notice that. give this sweetheart a break, he must spend at least next year study some fundamentals about writing.
P.S.: slipknot is a good band, and the most important is they're getting better.
-a Persian guy :)

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Joe Cardali
Aug 26, 2008 1:40pm

I question whether this reviewer has ever listened to metal before. This album is awesome.

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Anonymous /b/
Aug 26, 2008 2:02pm

In reply to John Doran:

man uve got issues, what have you done in your life to contribute to something eh john. nothing i suppose, you sit at your desk critising on shit you cant even touch. stuff you couldnt even write, so how bout you get a 'life' and do something that contribute to the world. non of them are even 40 yet, here because you have no sense of research in that puny brain i will help you:
chris fehn - 36
sid wilson - 30
corey taylor - 34
jim root - 36
shawn crahan - 38
craig jones - 36
paul gray - 36
joey jordison - 33
mick thomson - 34

so i mean i dont realli so anything that says 40 something do i, i mean how bout you re-do ur review and after listening carefully to all of the mother fucking tracks. you are only contributing to the shit thats piling up on the internet. people like you should be banned from reviewing anything.

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John Doran
Aug 26, 2008 2:13pm

I am banned from reviewing things on the internet. That's what's so exciting. They just can't catch me.

Anyway. I've just read this sentence five times and my nose started bleeding:

"so i mean i dont realli so anything that says 40 something do i, i mean how bout you re-do ur review and after listening carefully to all of the mother fucking tracks."

I'm not sure what you're saying but maybe you should be banned from leaving the house without a cycle helmet and water wings on.

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Tony Montana
Aug 26, 2008 7:09pm

Spot-on review. I've heard every song from the new album on SIRIUS radio the past weekend and John Doran sums it up nicely- patchy work from a group of uneducated middle-aged men. The album stabs blindly at matching their successes of their numetal heyday... but it swings and misses on almost all counts. The fast songs are poorly written and chaotic, and not even in a good Slayeresque sort of way. The slow songs are an immediate turn-off and completely skippable. I couldn't wait for many of the songs to just be fucking OVER - my bones literally ached from the first acoustic chord of "Snuff" to the last "Why me?" cry of "Dead Memories." The vague political angst is trite and tired... in the end, the album is a rehashing of the most banal parts of Iowa and the most saccharine parts of Vol. 3

Thank you for the honest review, Mr. Doran.

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Aug 26, 2008 11:14pm

this guy whoever this random fukker who reviewed this album should go suck his dads dick cuz he dont know shit

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John D Cocksucker
Aug 26, 2008 11:19pm

go listen to panic at the disco you fucking piece of shit and keep attending those hannah montana concerts you fuck keep it up and your never gonna leave your dads basement where he fucks you every night you low life cocksucker

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Aug 27, 2008 3:29am

I agree with this review 100%.

Half of the mother fuckers on here criticizing this review and saying its "bias" are retarded.

Your the bias idiots, anyone with half an ear can tell you that this album sounds like shit.

Also I want to state that I grew up with SlipKnot, they are the band that got me into metal.

I was looking forward to this CD very much after hearing Psycosocial, I even bought a concert ticket to Mayhem Fest to witness SlipKnot live, and maybe get a taste of their new material.

Luckily the only song they played off this album was Psycosocial, because if I heard some of this shit live I would of had to leave.

This album is shit, save your money.

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Aug 27, 2008 10:13am

In reply to Unknown:

Agreed. I grew up with KoRn, Slipknot, Mudvayne, Static-X, etc. etc. They have all outlived their usefulness. They are no longer relevant. They are out-of-touch old dudes with too much money and too much time on their hands. Big fucking crybabies with mansions all over the goddamned place. "Boo-hoo, I have more money than God but I never met my Daddy." I'd be impressed if they could get the fuck over themselves.

Corey Taylor is a two-faced, pretentious sack of shit with a big mouth and a rhyming dictionary. He's the dude who can sing "Through the Glass" (BAAAAARF) and then turn around and procalim that "People equal Shit". Fucking insincere assclown.

Shitsnot are half-assed, wannabe musicians who get paid ridiculous sums to scribble some sociopathic noise onto tape and perform it for Hot Topic-patronizing, angsty teens. Boooooo.

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Aug 27, 2008 8:20pm

In reply to Unknown:

panic at the disco is to your left faggot

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Guy Weeks
Aug 27, 2008 8:35pm


I read the review and all the slightly childish comments left by people who give definitely back up the theory that all slipknot fans are adolescents. I am a massive Slipknot fan, and have been for many years. I have listened to the album through a few times now, and I believe Johns review is pretty spot on to be honest. SOme parts I obviously find a bit odd. i.e the part where he seems to just be knocking the band for trying tunes that arent just balls out assault. Can you imagine if pink floyd or radiohead had never changed their styles?? It is inevitable. Thanks

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Aug 27, 2008 9:42pm

This guy doesn't seem to think that maturing as a band is a good thing. Dude, give them a break, you want another Iowa and another self titled album, we get it. But wouldn't you get fucking tired if you kept doing the same shit over and over again to appease someone? Slipknot is a band, all bands grow and become more versatile, so let them do it.
So what if they all hate each other, this is a solid album considering the last one they put out (produced by the fucking Rick Rubin who fucks up more bands than helps them now-a-days). And as long as they keep putting on the masks and giving me a sick show every time they perform, I'll fucking take it.

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Zipperhead O'Reilly
Aug 27, 2008 10:45pm

In reply to URA FAG:

Listen to some Strapping Young Lad and grow a brainstem while you're at it, you fucking spaz.

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Am Jtz
Aug 27, 2008 11:17pm

now from your answers to some comments, i just can say this: dude you're really fucked up, how old are you?
i totally agree with that guy, you do have issues man

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kev peter
Aug 28, 2008 1:39am

all hope is gone aint heavy enough for me there first to albums were perfect after iowa they lost it, i still brought all hope is gone hoping that itd b good but it turns out all hope is gone for slipknot

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Jason Lock
Aug 28, 2008 8:35pm

You need a fuckin new reviewer!
*ahem* a little bit of correction for u knobjockeys

nothin wrong with this. I admit.

hell and damnation?? wtf?? wtf has this song got do do with hell and fuckin damnation??? metalcore?? you need new ears, mate. u wanna sleep in the solo? go ahead and sleep, and dream about ur mom in bed. like u always do. underperforming? let's hear you do better, arsewipe!

Drugs??? wtf has this got to do about drugs??? it's about how they perform together. read issue 1219 of Kerrang, dumbass.

Dead Memories
How the hell does this sound like a power ballad?? OBVIOUSLY Corey is singing about stuff that upsets him. He's not trying to impress little fagets like you with just plain roaring through the whole song. He feels that for songs like this he should be more melodic. When you're sad, do you go off roaring? no!

NWOBHM? You are probably the dumbest guy on earth.

Butcher's Hook
Wow. He's finally impressed. And what the hell has that review got to do with the song??

ugh, do you think every single fuckin Slipknot song is about the devil??? and how is this self-loathing?? you really don't have a clue what ur talkin about. It's about an obsession of someone with the obsession's point of view. I think obsession and self-hate are quite different, don't you? well, clearly you don't. but people with a brain would know ther different.

This Cold Black
WOW. YOU GOT SOMETHING RIGHT (It's heavy). But how the fuck does this have anything to do with someone driving over ur nuts?? and what the fuck are you talking abot "occasionally"??!

Wherein Lies Continue
Ugh, more bullshit about Slipknot singin about hell. Look, wait until you find a cure for your retardedness, THEN write a review.

More drugs? fucking hell, you REALLY can't hear, can ya. It's about someone he trusted who let him down. A person and drugs? different again. Minus 11 points to you, my spasticated friend. SOPPY lyrics?? ugh, you really are fuckin makin me sick right now. This song is about somethin that really makes Corey sad, and here you are, bullshittin about his life. And if u don't know what these lyrics are about, then you need a brain transplant. With someone with an IQ of 1. He'd be a lot smarter than u.

All Hope Is Gone
not up to your expectations?? WTF what did u expect them to go to everyone's house on earth and fuckin survey them, and play every little song they wanted them to play?? Or were you expectin them to demolish their fuckin brains tryin to think of a song that would make you happy? Would that be up to your expectations?? A mess of shards?? wtf does that even mean?! Inability to get along with each other? Are you trying to be funny? Cuz I#m pissin myself right now. If they didn't get along with each other, why would they be in a band with each other?? In their 40s?? they're in their fuckin 30s!! U think this is old school? Sorry, would a band of fuckin robots from the future be good enough for you?

C'mon, fire this guy and get a new reviewer who has ears and a brain. That would be up to MY expectations.

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John Doran
Aug 29, 2008 8:44am

Ha ha ha! What a fucking maniac.

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Pure Chaos
Aug 29, 2008 11:11am

I may disagree with this reviewer in that I thought that the album was great, not necessarily the best Slipknot album but it was still a great listen. I reckon there is something different about each album that can be appreciated. S/T for its new style in the genre, Iowa for its all out brutality, Vol. 3 for the change in Slipknot's style and AHIG for the evolution of the band. Now, I'm one of those "15 year old "maggots"" as quoted by a previous poster yet I am still able to appreciate all of the albums made by Slipknot and honestly, I don't think theres a track on any of their albums which I dislike. People are entitled to their own opinions, so don't flame them just for expressing either their disappointment or their favourable view of this album. And before you start saying dumb ass things about the new generation, consider that there are still those that are able to appreciate both the 'heavy' Slipknot and the 'AHIG' Slipknot

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Tony Bones
Aug 29, 2008 4:32pm

Although I agree with Jason Lock, do not (I repeat DO NOT) give this guy a samurai sword under any circumstances.

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Joe Cardali
Aug 29, 2008 8:03pm

In reply to John Doran:

How professional of you.


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Luis Perez
Aug 29, 2008 8:38pm

No offence John Doran but learn how to spell right!!!If your gonna talk bad about someone at least learn to type correctly. Man your review is lame the new album is really good. you suck

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Will fuck
Aug 29, 2008 9:50pm

Ok this review sucks ass. All the songs on this album are amazing. And wtf the "rank smell of nu metal?" Slipknot's old stuff kicked ass. Oh sorry im gonna be gay like the reviewer and say "arse".
This album is worth the buy. Heres an idea. Everyone buy the album, meet me at this guys house, burn it down then cut his head off. All Hope Is Gone is an amazing album, end of story.

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Aug 30, 2008 3:01pm

lol I love all the retards posting in this with words like 'sick' and 'dis tune iz ill'.

First off nothing on this album is particuarly brutal or that heavy.

Secondly I like the album. Not as much as Vol 3 but I like it considering I thought thes/t and Iowa were worthless pieces of plastic. I'd have given it 75%

seriously why do you guys feel the need to defend the album so much? People were defending it before it had even been released lol. Too many children on this site.

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Brian Busam
Aug 31, 2008 2:45am

This album is amazing!!! It is definitely a heavier expansion onto Vol.3. I would go as far as saying Vendetta is the best Slipknot track of all time!

God bless!!

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Rancid Stinky Mask
Aug 31, 2008 10:49am

Ha ha ha! This review is pretty accurate in my opinion. It's not a bad album necessarily, just sounds hastily put together and lacks a bit of spark. There's no real musical progression either - and you would expect that from a band of this calibre, especially when interviews and previews were stating that this album was a progression into heavier/darker realms. To me it just sounds like another Iowa.

I have to wonder why all these Slipknot fans are getting so pissed off at the criticism? Isn't that a blind "Fundamentalism of Opinion"? I think you guys need to sort your shit out and realize that Slipknot are ultimately not as heavy as you think they are - other bands are available. That said, I think they're fucking brilliant and have no problem with the reviewer at all. Grow up bozos.

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Jonothan Crane
Sep 1, 2008 12:13pm

Considering how many songs were at least deemed good by you, I'm surprised you judged it so harshly in the end. Oh well.

My biggest gripe is this: why is every softer song by any band now compared to Nickel Back? It strikes me as entirely strange to compare "Dead Memories" to Nickel Back. It especially bewilders me as a musician, the style and writing is completely different on levels I can't even begin to describe. So I'm left wondering if "it's like Nickel Back" has become modern slang for "I don't like this lighter song".

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Vittorio Baki
Sep 1, 2008 1:36pm

Worst "professional" review I encountered lately. Do you think you're smart? It's not being cool, it's being an idiot for hating a band just because they (were) popular among teens. And you think you made a big joke with All Hope Is Gone? Every bad review had that, don't think you're smarter. And the bands and styles you mention in the review are absolutely ridicolous - not because they suck mostly, but because they have NOTHING to do with Slipknot. You want to keep throwing sh*t at a band that's probably more talented than anything you're able to understand? Go ahead then. What would we expect by a St. Anger fan anyway who says that the new Metallica songs are amazing...

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Jonothan Crane
Sep 1, 2008 1:55pm

In reply to Vittorio Baki:

Wait, really? This guy liked St. Anger?

Okay, wow. Well, I know reviews are biased by nature when it comes to this stuff, and there for, well, I see no point in even arguing with someone who liked St. Anger over this. I enjoy some songs off of St. Anger myself, but to give it a favorable review and then give this CD a bad one demonstrates that this person and I are so fundamentally different that I don't think it would be RIGHT to argue with them.

Good day to them, says I.

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Evil Genius
Sep 8, 2008 9:08pm

You have written this review as though your conclusions are a matter of fact when really they are just a manifestation of your objection to a new and different Slipknot - something which you probably had before you even listened to the album. Everything you said should have been preceded by "I think". At least that way it could have been presented as a personal opinion rather than a supposedly objective article meant to help others who had not heard it yet to get an insight into what it would be like for them to hear it for themselves. The critical and commercial success (it just went to number one)of this album shows that you have failed miserably to be objective as a good reviewer should be. I guess it's just the world against you, huh?

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the man
Sep 19, 2008 7:31pm

Im sorry to all the idiots on this page, but EVERY single thing the reviewer has said is not only 100% shared by me - but backed up by the morons who keep replying

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Sep 30, 2008 7:25am

I love the new album and I haven't let anything anyone has said about it change my opinion. It's slipknot evolved, I beleive I read someone saying if they still sounded the exact same they did in ST and IOWA it would be boring, this is very true. Why are people getting peeved that it doesn't sound exactly like IOWA...that was 7 years ago..hmm seven years ago...yeah...

Would you want to be producing an album that sounds just like an album you made seven years ago!? No, and quite frankly this album is still heavy as hell but a lot smarter and well orchestrated. When you get on stage and do what slipknot has done then you can talk shit, don't belittle them and judge them when you know nothing about them. You probably don't know half of what the true fans know about them. They are talented artists and I will never forget their music, I've been listening to them for 8 years - I don't care what anyone says about them it will not change the way I feel. If you don't like slipknot, don't even post about them. Why would you make the effort to bash them when you obviously can't stand their music, go listen to whatever the fuck you think is so much better than slipknot and stop wasting your time because I guarantee that if you ran into a bunch of slipknot fans face to face and started talking all that shit you would regret it lol

stay (sic)

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Josh Turner
Sep 30, 2008 2:18pm

I've read that review. I've read it twice in fact and yet there's some part of me that can't take a single word you say seriously, i think you're more intent on writing an impressively worded review than writing an accesible one.
All credit to you however for being brave enough to tackle such an Album, especially one so firmly in the public's eye at the minute. x

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How Mature
Oct 1, 2008 9:33am

In reply to John Doran:

of you. Shouldn't you as a reviewer at least try to feign a professional attitude? Some people like what they hear some people don't. I came and read your review just because it was bad, and I can try to understand you. Everyone's entitled to their own opinion. If Quietus gave you this review, then it's their call. Not ours.

I understand it is frustrating when everybody's ganging up on you and calling you dumb, but I think you should show more respect to people than this. Sure, they didn't show you respect first. True, but they are not the ones reviewing the album in the name of Quietus, are they? I think you should show a little bit more maturity.

I personally think this is a pretty good album, and some of your comments were unjust, but as I've already stated, it's your opinion, and if you don't buy the album, it's up to you. I bought it, and I love it. Personal taste (whether it's lack of it) drives people to listen to all different kinds of music, and it goes the same with us as well.

PS. You're a lucky man to have met Slipknot in person! I would love to get a signed CD!! wow.

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Josh O'Connor
Oct 4, 2008 4:34pm

John Doran, your review is vapid piffle... Your style of writing is lame and all you seem to do is spout out inane jargon. You obviously did very little research on the band, and you let your biased opinion take the better of you, instead of holding a neutral stance and being perspective. It seems with so many great reviews from plausible reviewers who write for renowned magazines, you wanted to stand out as the 'maverick'. All you succeeded with this review is a depiction of a sub par reviewer and a dipshit moronic fucktard. Period!!!!

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Josh O'Connor
Oct 4, 2008 4:50pm

I can't understand the concept behind people wanting a band to sound like they did 10-13 years ago... I always thought it was important for a band to push the boundaries into unknown territories and try experimenting with something different than the 'norm'... Sure, there are songs i don't like so much as others, but considering the album has 15 songs (including the bonus track) this was bound to happen, but i didn't let the 3-4 songs i disliked prejudice the overall 'sound' of the album. I rate the album 8/10

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Mert Hoeft
Oct 5, 2008 8:56pm

First of all, I would like to correct one of your last lines. Most of the members of Slipknot are in their early/mid 30s with Clown being the oldest member at age 38. Sorry, I just had to clear that shit up.

I guess everybody is entitled to their own opinions, but I can't help but be pissed at yours. You and your opinion do not define Slipknot's music. You do not decide what Slipknot are about. Slipknot are musicians and artists, and as a musician myself, I can confidently say that music and art are whatever you make of it. Once you place an expectation or any other kind of a box over your creativity, you aren't making art, you're making business. Slipknot have evolved, and yes, I'm not completely thrilled with all of their musical choices, but it's their choice to make what they want to, not everybody else's. For a band as popular as Slipknot, I find it incredibly remarkable that they have been able to avoid the pressure from their fans and the godawful music industry to make the EXACT SAME MUSIC over and over. They change with each CD, and I respect their choices. I understand how you and other metalheads may not appreciate some of their newer stuff, but please, leave the music to the musicians, fuckbag.


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\m/(//_^)\m/ O.o
Oct 10, 2008 3:07pm

you guys suck at reviewing

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Andres de Landa
Oct 15, 2008 12:24am

One would expect from the reviewer to be objective, but in this case I would minimum like from this guy to have knowledge in music. I can believe someone who doesn't know how to writte a review criticise the way a band writte their songs.
Sorry man but you should change your career. Lately any idiot can write crap on internet.
This album won't change the world that's for sure, but it's a mature, melodic and clever version of slipknot.
They are great musicians who doesn't rest on their fame, they learn and grow on each album.
This is the following album one would expect from Vol. 3 Subliminal Verses.

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George Haybury
Oct 17, 2008 3:23am

All Hope Is Gone is a fuckdamn masterpiece. Eat a bucket of butts if you believe that this is not so.

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Steve Wilson
Oct 23, 2008 2:50am

Guys, stop fucking bashing this dude. I've been a slipknot fan since mate. feed. kill. repeat. and I have to say that I think the reviewer bashed the album a little too harshly, but fuck, that's his opinion. Besides slight inconsistency with the review (giving most tracks a good review but not the album itself), I have to say this is a decent and honest review. If you're a hardcore maggot who thinks his review is shit, fuck off, why are you reading an unfavorable review anyways? Thank you John.

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LOnald Mcdonald
Nov 8, 2008 3:36am

John Doran is a wart infected gine. His thoughts on this album are complete trash. They should be taken down and replaced w/ a review that is justifable at the least. Did he listen to the album backwards in fastforward. Dead memories is amazing, any self proclaming metal head would tell you this songs bangs very hard. Its classic Slipknot. If ur not a fan, fine, but dont make ignorant comments about a musical power house such as THE KNOT.

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rONAK patel
Nov 11, 2008 11:36pm

You sir fail as a reviewer , and a father go eat an asian fetus and shut the fuck up , butchers hook wasn't even a valid review.

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Solomon Ach
Nov 21, 2008 8:28pm

john doran should die

slipknot rocks forever and ever

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Cameron Black
Dec 1, 2008 3:08pm

It's a great album by a great band and Mr Doran is entirely entitled to his opinion. Calm down people. I must say, if I'd written a review in the first week of release, I also would've been quite scathing. What we all have to remember is that it's easy for struggling artists in their early twenties to come up with brutal savagery (as heard on 'Slipknot', and to some degree the rehash of 'Kill, Feed, Mate, Repeat' that was 'Iowa') but when you're a millionaire with the glare of expectation highlighting your every move, it's not so easy to be genuinely 'hardcore'. Who'd want to hear a record made by a bunch of thirty-something rich people pretending to be full of youthful fire and aggression. Then we'd all be saying they were faking it. To me, this is an honest and very dark album. Darkness has defined Slipknot since the beginning (think Gently, Killers Are Quiet, etc) and they continue to hone this trait. Rampant brutality was a by-product and not the reason for this band to exist. Listen, don't look.

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B** D******
Dec 3, 2008 4:01am

Oh dear... What an un-balanced review.
Not the actual content against SlipKnot, but the reviewer John Doran. This review evokes memories of reviews of korn, Linkin Park and Funeral for a friend when they all first hit the scene. Taking songs track for track, dispensing with "the album" as a whole, and nit-picking at artistic development and creative mastery, which couldn't be more evident in "All Hope is Gone".

I will though, distance myself from the "omg, realli, F*** y**" cretins that have left replies to this review. Mr Doran has sparked debate. I for one am appreciative of this and would like to further touch upon the points he has made.

Mr Doran, I am glad that you have pointed out that you like SlipKnot. This is a good starting point for yourself and your readers. "Common ground" etc.... But I have some misgivings about your review. I am not going to say your review is wrong, wouldn’t dream of it BUT your review does elicit a biased review leaning towards decades gone by and also, periods gone by. Slipknots fourth album takes all the better aspects of "mate.feed.kill.repeat", "slipknot", "iowa" and "Vol.3" to create a mesh of darkness and brutality that is the trademark and indeed the expectation of the band. To say that a song "isn't what slipKnot is about" is a huge sweeping statement. Are you saying that there should only be fast paced lyrics, double-bass drums through-out and shredded riffs from start to finish? Wouldn't you agree that SlipKnot, as a gestalt, encompass more than that? Are they not about the nine members all bringing something to the table?

"The creation of every Slipknot album has had conflict and that the band has come to embrace it, as they realize it is what brings out their creativity" (Taylor,2008)

Mr Doran makes a few good points, this album is "brutal"; "heavy"; "aggressive" and importantly "hardcore". If there is one thing that should be underlined about SlipKnot, it is that they can never be accused of "pumping out the same stuff" over and over, they have in fact, developed there own addictive and unrelenting style that is as distinctive now as it was 10years ago. Given that the band have taken such raw elements, and not thrown them to the way-side like so many other bands, Linkin Park(Collision course onwards)and metallica(St. Anger) to stay vaguely current.
But Slipknot, although they have "distanced" themselves from the nu-metal scene, still evoke much the same perspective and energy through their development into a harder metal band.
To say that any song on this album is "absolute garbage" is taking an overly cynical view on what is creative diversity within the album. Mr Doran is entitled to his view. But you must, surely, take the album as a whole and see that songs such as "Snuff" provide those lulls in the album, that keep the listener both interested but in the same mind-set. Just because the pace shifts in a song, does not necessitate that the meaning or the angle of the album shifts. IGN hits the nail on the head perfectly "All Hope Is Gone may not reinvent the wheel, but does effectively build upon the band's collective strengths with lots of bloody good bits for the faithful to gnaw on until the next Slipknot album"... The same can be said for Metallica's ...And justice for all AND Slayer's South of heaven. Surely it can be seen that SlipKnot are now, more-so than Iowa and Vol.3, taking the best aspects, the crunching drum riffs, the harmonic vocal breaks, the grinding guitar riffs, well placed solo's and Taylor's vocal ability and creating a stronger more powerful image than Slipknot already have?
A point that has been made ample times in the previous comments, Mr Doran, Is you seem to like all except two songs on the album? You clearly enjoyed the "party music for cyborgs" and "Pneumatic beats" as well as the "evil concoction of creaking synths playing a doomy and gothic refrain surrounded by feedback"... yet you can u-turn so quickly with "This whole album sounds like a mess of shards". This is just to highlight your hypocrisy within your own review. To praise the majority of the songs on the album and yet give it such a poor overall review? You have in your other reviews (I actually do my research) given high appraisal to bands that give fans what they want. Yet, SlipKnot has done this to a "T" and you have hit them with an outrageous review!!! Perhaps a follow up statement from yourself, would help clear these misgivings that I have towards your review. Personally, if I had not listened to the album and had never listened to SlipKnot before and I went solely on your review, I wouldn't go near SlipKnot with a 12foot barge pole. But I HAVE heard SlipKnot, I've followed them since the beginning and have seen them live recently, so it leaves me to ask, do you actually have an objective view to stand by? Or is this review mere borderline libellous wreckage...?
The fact you make some seemingly un-researched sweeping statements and indeed let your review down some-what with overly zealous metaphors and clearly un-subjective view-points make your review a little hard to digest and more-over hard to connect with. You have a right to your opinion; however it could have been portrayed better...
Perhaps, Mr Doran, you should consider dropping your Oscar Wilde witticisms and overly fantasised imagery and replace them with Objective reasoning and wider understanding of your writing topic as a whole? Perhaps...
Mr Doran, you say you have interviewed SlipKnot, when was this? Also have you seen "Voliminal: Inside the Nine" or any other documentary based views of SlipKnot. There in-fighting was cleared up before the beginning of Vol.3 "I have to say that the band is at its peak; everyone—I mean everyone—is now completely involved in the writing process, and it's a beautiful thing" (Jordison,2008) and more to the point, the majority of it was for stage and "panto-esque".
"If Slipknot consider themselves a world class metal band, then this level of patchiness won’t do"... Now this is riculous! How can a band that has gone gold, double and quadruple platinum not have "their s*** nailed down" and not as you point oput, be a world class metal band? This does not sound (from your perspective) like a band that has won a grammy and been nominated SIX times?
I suggest (indeed in my humble opinion) that you look at Jason Arnoop's, Mark Crampton's and Joel McIver's work on SlipKnot and maybe re-listen to the album (straight-through) a few times. Then come back with a second review that isn't full of childish metaphor and under-whelming bias...

I re-iterate though, this is not an attack upon your review, but a continuation of the debate surrounding your review.

I look forward to a response from you.

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John Doran
Dec 3, 2008 11:01am

Thanks for making such a lengthy comment on the site. I'm sorry I won't have time to reply to all of the points you make as I'm under the cosh with work but I'll make a few points.

First of all - and I don't go on about this in reviews because I don't think people would be interested - but great restrictions are put on us by record labels. So, in an attempt to combat illegal downloading some labels (Roadrunner included) have taken the decision not to send out promo copies, which means you have to go to the record company's offices and listen to the record there.

The upshot of this is you pretty much only get to listen to the record once. When I first heard Mastodon's 'Leviathan' on Relapse they were a really small band but even on first listen I was pretty sure they'd done something special but I was in the position to listen to the album again and again in the comfort of my own home. Pausing the album to make notes, to repeat bits so I could make out lyrics and analyze particularly mad bits of music. This, in the end helped me to award it 9 out of 10 for Metal Hammer. It went on to be their album of the year. And quite rightly so.

If I had listened to it in Warner's offices, (this was how I had to listen to 'Crack In The Skye' yesterday as they are on a major/large label), once only, I probably would have erred on the side of caution and gave it a slightly lower score.

Record labels do not trust journalists. I don't blame them to be honest but as a result of this, we are put in a position where we either mark something up on first and only impressions or mark it down. I will always, always mark something down if I'm only allowed one listen and this is what happened with Slipknot.

I had to listen to it in the Director's office while he was working, with another journalist in the room. This is not conducive to good criticism.

HOWEVER. In retrospect, I still think I called it right. In my opinion, this just isn't heavy enough. Individual tracks are brilliant yes, and if I was still doing my singles column in Metal Hammer I would say so but as a whole album it doesn't flow and those two awful power ballads just fuck things up. It doesn't matter how nice a swimming pool is if there's a turd floating in it.

I know Joel McIver - he writes for this site. If I'm lucky, he'll be reading this and let you know what he thinks of the album himself. McIver is a very, very good metal critic in my eyes - because he isn't afraid to really knock an album if he doesn't like it.

At the end of the day though - this is nearly all personal opinion and mine is purely that this album isn't very good. Or not good by their own standards.

Some other points:

I don't care what the band think. As a critic, it's my job not to listen to them/be taken in them/try and be friends with them/try and act as part of their advertising campaign.

Nothing in my review is libelous. It's hard to libel men who dress as clowns, take drugs, fight, drink alcohol, sniff dead crows, vomit on each other and so on.

You mistake album sales for good musicianship. The two aren't related.

You ask me to drop the witticisms and childish metaphors. Well, maybe I should and maybe you're right but it's still my main job is to be entertaining/educational or whatever outside of the music itself.

Hope this answers some of your questions.

Oh, and the new Mastodon album is really progressive AND ace by the way.

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Mike Hunt
Dec 16, 2008 11:28pm


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Brian Shankaruk
Oct 17, 2009 4:56pm

Reviewers that even know what there talking about are hard to come by...

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John Doran
Oct 17, 2009 5:37pm

In reply to Brian Shankaruk:

People who know the difference between their, there and they're are even harder to come by.

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Nov 23, 2009 1:08am

Get your shit straight. Only ONE member is 40. How can I expect to respect your review if you can't even get simple facts straight? "Several of Slipknot are in their 40s", my ass. You ignorant cunt.

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May 27, 2010 1:30pm

I feel like people are overlooking the fact that a review is an opinion. Everyone needs to calm down, your only all butthurt because he doesn't agree with yours. Sorry, but grow up and get off your parents computer and into the real world. Not everyone has to like what you do.

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May 27, 2010 10:17pm

In reply to John Doran:

too long, didn't read

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May 27, 2010 10:19pm

In reply to melkrueger:

loloops that was @ B*** D******

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Leo Dukes
May 30, 2010 2:30am

Sorry, I can't take this review seriously until someone sorts out the two incorrect track names. It's "Gematria (The Killing Name)" and "Psychosocial" (one word).


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Ankh Djed
Jul 23, 2010 8:33pm

Haha lettuce.... your retarded... and whats with all the homophobia? in the closet gay? I think so. maybe you should rethink about being a Critic for music before you start running. I'm not ripping on you cause I like slipknot, I'm ripping on you cause you suck at reviews.... lettuce.... hahahahaha

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Mar 24, 2012 6:16am

In reply to John Doran:

You are entitled to your own opinion, but I wanted to read a review and not a guy ripping on an album due to his severe condition of what I call "MUSICAL INTOLERANCE." Yes, Slipknot is a metal band, but why should they be restricted to a certain sound or style? For me, listening to Slipknot's music is so enjoyable, because it's easy to relate to the pain being expressed and at the same time, their music also shows that the pain and darkness can be overcome. I completely disagree with your opinion of Snuff, because the amount of pain that was put into making the song is incredible and I'll be the first to say that when I first heard it, I absolutely HATED it because I thought it just wasn't what metal should be, but about a year later I listened to it a second time and realized how beautiful it was; I think Snuff could be argued as the heaviest song on the album, because of the emotion put into it. I know it's been a few years since the album was released and I don't want you to re-review the album, but I do want you to give it another chance. Try to relate to the songs and if you've ever gone through the type of pain expressed, I'm sure that you'll have a different view than before. I'm just saying what's the point of being an artist if there are rules and restrictions?

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Jan 5, 2013 12:47am

In reply to John Doran:

You are an ignorant idiot... You are just pathetic.

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Jul 16, 2014 3:22pm

Wow, only just seen this, what an emotional rollercoaster the comments section is. I would love to invite all the people who commented back and ask them what they think of the album now, or if any of them ever managed to successfully remove the collective Slipknot penis from their dead mouths.

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Aug 5, 2014 1:31am

In reply to John Doran:

>Well, you know, all of these publications would rate the Black Album by Metallica as being better than 'Ride The Lightning' or 'Master of Puppets'. Does that necessarily mean that they are right?


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Aug 5, 2014 1:31am

In reply to John Doran:

>Well, you know, all of these publications would rate the Black Album by Metallica as being better than 'Ride The Lightning' or 'Master of Puppets'. Does that necessarily mean that they are right?


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