Young Knives On Growing Up In The East Midlands
Julian Marszalek
, March 29th, 2011 06:35
Neither north nor south, the English Midlands are a confusing place bisected by railways and the M1 and A1. Some would say the Midlands are hard to love. Today, local boys House Of Lords and Henry Dartnall of Young Knives give us a guide. Pic by Cat Stevens.

Despite what Kasabian say, the Midlands are not the North
Henry Dartnall: The East Midlands are not the north whatever Kasabian say. Although we are more Northern than them. But it's neither here nor there, that's why it's the Midlands. But the thing about here in Oxford is that we're only an hour away from Leicester and Northampton's only about half an hour away.
House Of Lords: See, when you go up North and say that you're from Leicestershire, they go, 'Oh! You're Southern!'
HD: I think when you get to Nottingham you can say that you're almost North. But in Nottingham they refer to 'baps' but when you get to the North then it's a 'cobb'. But in the Midlands it's rare that you get gravy in a chip shop. But where we were – because it was a coal mining area – the accent is really influenced by the Derbyshire accent. So that feels a bit more Northern and Derbyshire really has that Northern edge to it.
Ashby-de-la-Zouche has become posher yet rougher
HD: It's quite posh there now. I go back to see my parents and it's definitely moved up a bit. We were on the one new street in a village of old houses so we were quite ostracised and beaten up by the village kids. We were seen as the posh kids because we lived in 1970s Barrett Homes type houses. Which was weird because my parents were the least aspirational people in the world. But Ashby-de-la-Zouche has got a lot of old tradition and there's a lot of family stuff there and there are all the old statutes. But we saw it change from a quiet market town with a cool record shop into a Friday night nightmare. If you walked down the street wearing flares that you bought from a charity shop when you were 16 you'd get severely harassed. We used to wear eye-liner and flares on purpose and go into Ashby on a Friday night almost to get hassled.
HOL: When were growing up, there were almost no police but by the time we left you'd see police vans on the High Street on a Saturday night. And the police would go, 'Are you some kind of goth?'
You cannot escape heavy metal in the Midlands
HD: There's a lot of metal in the Midlands.
HOL: At school, everyone was into heavy metal and it was the first music that you'd get introduced to.
HD: And there was also that Stourbridge scene. All the fraggle rock and grebo bands and that was huge influence on our early years. It made me miss out on the Stone Rose and Happy Mondays because the scene was so much stronger. And so every band did a cover of 'Kill Your Television'.
The Bill's Tosh Lyons showed the way out of the East Midlands
HD: The plus-side and the downside of growing up in the Midlands was that we thought that we'd never achieve anything. Say you're walking around near the BBC in London and you see people like Stephen Fry and that makes it look achievable but in Ashby I had no idea that I could achieve anything. But then I found out that Tosh Lyons from The Bill was from Derby and I remember thinking, 'What? How?' I was trying to see how that worked. What was the mechanism that makes that person end up there? I didn't even cross my mind that I could do something similar. The problem is that coming from the East Midlands you don't aim very high.
Crust-based food is the regional dish
HD: The Pukka pie typifies the East Midlands cuisine. The very name sounds as if it's from the Midlands. But then again, there's the Melton Mowbray pork pie. I remember when we were kids my mum worked a lot with Bangladeshi people where she used to go round to their houses and teach people English. If you went round with her after school you'd get your face blown off because they always had a big pot of something cooking so of course, things like samosas are definitely part of that.
The countryside, beer and porn awaits the casual visitor
HD: There's nice countryside and the beers are good. The Bass brewery in Burton-On-Trent was near to us. And near Loughborough you have some lovely forests but it gets quite rocky. It's one of those areas where the woods are full of porno mags.
It's all a bit dull, really
HD: We've got a weird relationship with the East Midlands. I always tried to leave the area and now that I have I quite like it. But it was always like a cultural no mans' land. But it's a total mish-mash of stuff. But as an example of how it dull it was, our guitar teacher was in Showaddywaddy 2. And Showaddywaddy's drummer owned the nightclub just outside our village. Out of town nightclubs were a popular feature of the East Midlands and they couldn't get anybody there unless they put a taxi rank right in the middle of the car park. Now it's all boarded up and looking very sorry.
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Mar 29, 2011 11:59am
It would appear that the bap vernacular is on the move. I can confirm without fear of error that the folks in Nottingham say "cobb!"
Mar 29, 2011 12:12pm
"If you walked down the street wearing flares that you bought from a charity shop when you were 16 you'd get severely harassed."
sigh, makes me nostalgic for 90s nostalgia for the 70s. my mate once got got rocks thrown at him circa 1996 for wearing a sheepskin jacket...
btw, always assumed "young knives" was the name of a rapper.
Mar 29, 2011 2:18pm
In reply to Red_Dog:
Oh Mr Dog, do we have to? It seemed squalid and tediously laddish then, doubly so now.
Mar 30, 2011 8:18am
In reply to Adam:
But then they would wouldn't they? Wanting to be Northern and all...
Mar 30, 2011 11:10am
In reply to Eugene Montpelier:
It's a cob. And the only thing worse than being called a Northerner is being called a Southerner.
Mar 30, 2011 6:28pm
In reply to Adam:
As an escaped Yorkshireman now living in, of all places, Ashby de la Zouch, I can confirm in the proper North it's a bap and in the East Midlands it's a cob. As an aide-memoire, people may like to consider calling to mind (Nottingham thrashers) Lawnmower Deth's poignant, touching anthem 'Flying Killer Cobs from the Planet Bob'. Wouldn't rhyme if it was a bap, see? Happy to help.
Mar 31, 2011 8:42am
As a youngster in the Midland galaxy if you happened to find yourself in the West Mids constellation and asked for a 'Cob' you'd be handed a small nut (which no one knew what to do with). In these parts a Bap was a Bap and a Bap was the only form of quality lunch...alongside a bag of monster munch of course.
Further towards the Birmingham City Supernova a cobb was just plain meaningless. Right into the center you'd still be balls deep in bapland. But then once the triumvirate barrier of Aston, Nechells and Satly was traversed and certainly into Coventry (a feckless moon) any dough based roll was deemed...
A Batch.
As for the East Mids I really couldn't tell you. Bar a couple of footy matches and a J&MC gig I never went there, and furthermore got the distinct impression that although only 20 miles up the road there was no connection with 'our' mids. They were just northerners who'd be banished slightly south.
Apr 5, 2011 11:59am
In reply to Ronan P:
spelling = poser. Christ, any reason to have a dig.
Truly sorry that I left the midlands but it was full of bitter pedants being fake mancs.
















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Sam Amidon
Mar 29, 2011 11:17am
Ah, but they ignore that other important distinction - East Midlands vs. West Midlands. Having married into a family from the East Midlands, it's become clear to me that them in the East feel at a distinct disadvantage in terms of national exposure, compared to the West. After all, everyone knows what a Brummie sounds like, whereas who can confidently locate Loughborough on the map (and indeed, why should they)?
Not sure what this has to do with music, so let's just stop for a moment and cast our minds back to the days of PWEI, Ned's Atomic Dustbin and The Wonderstuff... ;)
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